Well David Reeve, president of the European division of Sony Computer Entertainment told gamesindustry.biz that the PS3 will be the clear-cut winner of the next-gen console race by March of 2008.

Anyone else think this is a ridiculously bold statement to be saying right now?

Source. (http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/16/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xxxvii-sonys-reeves-says-ps3-will-be/)

How can Sony win the "race" between consoles in such a short time with only a few (good) games that will be published before March 08? Nah, it's impossible. If they don't reduce the price and don't convince more publishers to publish games on their platform, there will be no PlayStation 4.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY

Well played Volk.

nice video volk.
YOU'RE WRONG
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Well played Volk.

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what is with you people.. not one is gonna lose the 'Console War'. all the consoles will win, first of the one is better that the other in one thing, second of there are too many fanboys to let any of the consoles win :S

what is with you people.. not one is gonna lose the 'Console War'. all the consoles will win, first of the one is better that the other in one thing, second of there are too many fanboys to let any of the consoles win :S

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is it me or is this whole forum a joke made by 360 fanboyz??

is it me or is this whole forum a joke made by 360 fanboyz??

Is it me or are you a PS fanboy that can't stand a joke about sony? :P

I made a special picture just for threads that mention something David Reeves says... and it's addressed directly to Reeves:

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m95/rothbart_photos/interweb_memes/muzzle_jackass.png

Is it me or are you a PS fanboy that can't stand a joke about sony? :P

well dished.

is it me or is this whole forum a joke made by 360 fanboyz??

maybe you should take a look at the name. In the famouse words that Doc told me long ago...
"There is a reason this place isn't called totally honest gamer..."

Well David Reeve, president of the European division of Sony Computer Entertainment told gamesindustry.biz that the PS3 will be the clear-cut winner of the next-gen console race by March of 2008.

Anyone else think this is a ridiculously bold statement to be saying right now?

Source. (http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/16/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xxxvii-sonys-reeves-says-ps3-will-be/)

What do you expect them to say?
'Sorry guys, we're not really all that confident in PS3... We could be doing well this time next year, but it's not all that likely. So yeah, invest if you want.'

Of course it's a bold statement. All the major console producers make bold and stupid statements. If anything it's to be expected...

is it me or is this whole forum a joke made by 360 fanboyz??

Is it me or are you a PS fanboy that can't stand a joke about sony? :P
seems you're one of those thats a fanboy..


Is it me or are you a PS fanboy that can't stand a joke about sony? :P

well dished.

is it me or is this whole forum a joke made by 360 fanboyz??

maybe you should take a look at the name. In the famouse words that Doc told me long ago...
"There is a reason this place isn't called totally honest gamer..."

right, so you mean this site is a worse joke than i though, and its not made by fanboys? :O :P

seems you're one of those thats a fanboy..

I don't own an xbox 360, PS3 or Wii and never will, so lol @ you :P

is it me or is this whole forum a joke made by 360 fanboyz??

Is it just me, or are you 12?

I don't think Sony will "win" by March of 08. I do think eventually the PS3 will beat out the Xbox 360. I know it seems absurd, but their talk of a 10 year life cycle makes sense. The first few years are going to suck for the PS3, however eventually it will pick up with games and will become like the PS2.

is it me or is this whole forum a joke made by 360 fanboyz??

Is it just me, or are you 12?

*Zing*

I don't think Sony will "win" by March of 08. I do think eventually the PS3 will beat out the Xbox 360. I know it seems absurd, but their talk of a 10 year life cycle makes sense. The first few years are going to suck for the PS3, however eventually it will pick up with games and will become like the PS2.

I think that he's off by at least a year or so. But less than a year is an eternity in the consumer electronics market. It's quite possible, I think we should wait until the holiday season to judge this. Also would like to see the direction that Peter Moore's replacement will go with the 360.

I don't think Sony will "win" by March of 08. I do think eventually the PS3 will beat out the Xbox 360. I know it seems absurd, but their talk of a 10 year life cycle makes sense. The first few years are going to suck for the PS3, however eventually it will pick up with games and will become like the PS2.

I think in the next 3 to 4 years Microsoft will release their new console with graphics that will just be... too amazing. I mean, the graphics right now are insane, they'll almost be life-like next gen. Since Sony has been so unsuccsesful with the PS3 so far, they'll have to keep it for longer with a higher price. Because they're currently loosing $300-$400 per console.

When the xbox 360 has a price-cut by $100 all the Wii owners who are getting tired of Wii-fit and Wii-sports will want a console that has more serious games and will pay $200-300 for a new console with an already awesome game library out.

Just my two-cents

Well David Reeve, president of the European division of Sony Computer Entertainment told gamesindustry.biz that the PS3 will be the clear-cut winner of the next-gen console race by March of 2008.

Anyone else think this is a ridiculously bold statement to be saying right now?

Source. (http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/16/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xxxvii-sonys-reeves-says-ps3-will-be/)

yeah the wii is definately going to stay on top of the console wars for at least a good six months however i still believe all the developers would rather make games on a truly next gen console like 360 or ps3 rather than bust out graphically inferior games with wii mote capabilities. Also seeing as how the wii had a terrible showing at E3, i dont care what anyone says the wii fit is gay, ps3's may see an even better increase is sales because real gamers are getting sick of nintendo's "lets appeal to non gamers" motto, meanwhile 360's keep having rings of death. i think if sony wants to at least come close to their claim they are going to need to put out the steller games, and from their showing at E3 they are in a good position to do so. :lol:

Realistically, if the PS3 has very low failure rates and the games keep coming, they could possibly be the winner. I know that Sony's arrogance gets them in trouble with us. But this seems more like a statement of confidence. Sony is better at the entertainment business than Microsoft and has the resources and experience to back it up. Their only problem is price and a touch of arrogance (actually a large bitchslap of arrogance).
MS had a great start but in rushing to get that start they screwed the gamer. That will ultimately hurt them. They obviously know that and are trying to gain the foothold they had. We'll need to see how many of these new boxes are going to fail. Also with the Games for Windows initiative they can now make money on games without making the hardware. The advent of the controller working on a PC is a good sign. I'm not entirely convinced that there will be another Xbox, probably just peripherals.
Maybe that's why Moore jumped ship.

MS had a great start but in rushing to get that start they screwed the gamer. That will ultimately hurt them. They obviously know that and are trying to gain the foothold they had. We'll need to see how many of these new boxes are going to fail. Also with the Games for Windows initiative they can now make money on games without making the hardware. The advent of the controller working on a PC is a good sign. I'm not entirely convinced that there will be another Xbox, probably just peripherals.
Maybe that's why Moore jumped ship.

There's no way. The PC gaming market has shrunk dramatically in the past 5 years. The PC versions of most games are afterthought console ports where they determine the extra cost of developing for PC will offset by a low profit.

Very few people will buy a PC that can handle that stuff, and not to mention, it doesn't have the straight out of box casual option that consoles have. Microsoft would be stupid to do this. Microsoft is a lot of things, but they aren't stupid.

There's no way. The PC gaming market has shrunk dramatically in the past 5 years. The PC versions of most games are afterthought console ports where they determine the extra cost of developing for PC will offset by a low profit.

Very few people will buy a PC that can handle that stuff, and not to mention, it doesn't have the straight out of box casual option that consoles have. Microsoft would be stupid to do this. Microsoft is a lot of things, but they aren't stupid.

Ok, now I am going to call you on this total bullshit.

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/02/24/pc-gaming-market-healthy-shows-signs-of-growth/

Aside from that article, you say the PC gaming market has shrunk dramatically in the past 5 yeas. World of Warcraft came out in Nov of 2004. That is less than 3 years ago. So according to you, there where more people playing PC games before WoW, and less after. So basically one the most popular games of all time helped to kill gaming on the PC. So what exactly are people playing WoW on?

I'd suggest you start posting some facts to support your viewpoint. Otherwise it appears you are doing nothing but making things up.

Ok, now I am going to call you on this total bullshit.

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/02/24/pc-gaming-market-healthy-shows-signs-of-growth/

Aside from that article, you say the PC gaming market has shrunk dramatically in the past 5 yeas. World of Warcraft came out in Nov of 2004. That is less than 3 years ago. So according to you, there where more people playing PC games before WoW, and less after. So basically one the most popular games of all time helped to kill gaming on the PC. So what exactly are people playing WoW on?

I'd suggest you start posting some facts to support your viewpoint. Otherwise it appears you are doing nothing but making things up.

Whoa, whoa. Who ever said World of Warcraft counted? :lol:

Whoa, whoa. Who ever said World of Warcraft counted? :lol:

LOL.... Well it is a game and it's only played on a PC. So I would say that counts as PC gaming. Honestly though I think you are forgetting the fact that MMO's and Strategy/Simulation games are the strengths of the PC market. They will probably never switch over to the console market with a huge amount of success due to the need for heavy hardware requirements and complex controls. (And yes I know Final Fantasy is on a console, however everything I have read says it's easier on the pc).

Whoa, whoa. Who ever said World of Warcraft counted? :lol:

LOL.... Well it is a game and it's only played on a PC. So I would say that counts as PC gaming. Honestly though I think you are forgetting the fact that MMO's and Strategy/Simulation games are the strengths of the PC market. They will probably never switch over to the console market with a huge amount of success due to the need for heavy hardware requirements and complex controls. (And yes I know Final Fantasy is on a console, however everything I have read says it's easier on the pc).

Heavy hardware requirements would be more of a reason to switch to a console. While I agree with you that MMOs won't be flocking to consoles, I'm willing to bet developers tune down the graphics so they run on PCs just for this reason. I've never seen a particularly great looking MMORPG for its time.

Since Sony has been so unsuccsesful with the PS3 so far, they'll have to keep it for longer with a higher price. Because they're currently loosing $300-$400 per

This rumor gets worse with every retelling... $400, huh? When it launched it was said to be ~$240. Um, $240<$400. Now factor in the alleviated availability problems of the blu-laser diodes, the announced (a long time ago) cost reduction of said diodes, the removal of the emotion engine itself, as well as other miscellaneous cost reductions and/or volume discounts, even if you do factor in the recent $100 price drop, I can't see them losing $300-$400 on every one sold. The 20GB unit was an even worse loss for them than the 60GB unit at launch.

I cought someone saying that on the SG Podcast and that's really dated information I'd love to see backed up (but I know asking for references from those guys is likely an exercise in futility).

So while I don't see them doing this (or making their planned 11M install base by the end of the fiscal year I read about elsewhere today), I think they are still totally in the game.

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Heavy hardware requirements would be more of a reason to switch to a console. While I agree with you that MMOs won't be flocking to consoles, I'm willing to bet developers tune down the graphics so they run on PCs just for this reason. I've never seen a particularly great looking MMORPG for its time.

Who said anything about graphics? For strategy/simulation games graphics don't really matter. It's the processor, memory, storage space, and control options. The area of memory is where consoles will always loose to PC and it's the area that is most important to strategy games.

I am confused by your answer though. It's widely known that consoles have less graphical capability than consoles. I can't think of any game where the graphics have been turned down for the pc version over the console version. As for MMO's that look great... EQ2 and Eve both look stunning.

Now how did this all relate to the PS3 again? lol

Is it just me or is this forum made of pure win?

Is it just me or is this forum made of pure win?

Well... it's not you... ;)




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Heavy hardware requirements would be more of a reason to switch to a console. While I agree with you that MMOs won't be flocking to consoles, I'm willing to bet developers tune down the graphics so they run on PCs just for this reason.

I half agree with this statement. I prefer PC for gaming since I play a lot of 3D shooters and RTS games. Computers are more expensive to get the same power as a console system. That will always be true. What comes as a benefit is the game library.

If you buy a game for teh PC, it will be cheaper than the console which has the same one. Always see it, always will (perhaps a few games will be same price, though). The other thing you get is not just teh game itself, but a whole internet of extra content. People will mod the game, make new maps and models, and add more gameplay elements than the console. You seen how many Half-Life 2 MODs are out there?

The PC is the most versitile in gaming, and if you work with computers a lot like I do, it's more profitable to do PC gaming. However, it doesn't fit everyone's taste, and for people who just want to play games then console is of course better. PC has the most game variety, but unless you have a controller, some games are just better to play on console.

As for developers toning down graphical requirements for games, of course they do. The Next-gen in most MMOs is not teh graphics but the game structure. Server technologies get bigger and better, and the ammount of stuff you can do in MMOs is fast. There are several fun free ones out which are a blast to play for a while. Some MMOs upscale to a good point, like GUildWars and Everquest 2.

As for prices.... they are steep at times. You can build a top-of-the-line computer for about $1300 (expensive). or, you can build one for $600, running most games in HD resolution on high quality (GRAW works perfectly on a $600 computer, but you'd have to put teh PC together yourself and spend $50 on OEM Windows XP if you need it :p)

Too bad retailers sell pre-constructed PCs for 30% omre than they are worth. I'd definitely recommend people to learn how to build one. but, if you're not technically savvy, then just stick to console. Nothing wrong with that (I still play XBLA and GC).

Yes, buy a top top of the line PC, home built, can cost you well over several thousand dollars. Best GPUs out there currently costs around US$600, 1000 for top of the line quad core processors, ect.

But then again you don't NEED to pay that much, and you can save quite a sum of money going second top of the line and still get an awesome gaming PC.

But, from my experience, consoles are good as well, me being an owner of all three consoles and playing games on my PC as well, with a PC you just have to put more work into it, while for a console, the game just works, it's all about how much work you want to put into it, and how technologically savvy you are.

But I still hold that both console and PC gaming have their places.

Just my two cents.

What is he smoking?

So while I don't see them doing this (or making their planned 11M install base by the end of the fiscal year I read about elsewhere today), I think they are still totally in the game.

Of course they're still in the game, but there's almost no chance that the PS3 could become the clear-cut winner in less then half a year, especially as their lineup is arguably the weakest (for Winter), though the Wii is also fighting for that position. If he'd said March 09, then that's actually possible, though who knows what console could take the lead in that time - it could honestly go any way. So the PS3 is by no means whatsoever screwed, but neither are they in a position to claim first place in half a year.

on the PC subject; i've officially given up on keeping my PC up to date. new games come out all the time that require you to upgrade your computer, and i'm freakin sick of it. in a few months, i'll probably be getting a PS3. i know my wife wants one for FF13 (although for some strange reason, she seems to think she'll be playing it before me) and if the rumors about the Ico team making one, possibly two new games for the PS3, that's a system seller for me in itself.

oh right now, i own a wii and i've played it twice in the last two months. though my wife is mashing through zelda right now, so she plays it a lot.

on that note, i just beat ocarina of time for the N64 for the first time two nights ago and the wife beat Ico on the same day. ahhhhhhhhhhh, satisfaction.

My PC is perfect except for the card... Need to get a new one...

well with the 40 gig being fairly cheap I can see a huge jump in sales.