November 13th, 2007

by Duff (http://sarcasticgamer.com/wp/index.php/author/duff123/)

*Jeremy Duff is a GCN Moderator and will be filling in for Sean “Rothbart” Workman all this week!

http://sarcasticgamer.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/wg.jpgWoW (http://sarcasticgamer.com/wp/index.php/category/world-of-warcraft/wow), can you believe that it has already been a year since the “High-Def” era of gaming began. You know… because Sony (http://sarcasticgamer.com/wp/index.php/category/sony) released the PS3 (http://sarcasticgamer.com/wp/index.php/category/sony/playstation/ps3) this time last year. Remember, the HD era did not start until Sony (http://sarcasticgamer.com/wp/index.php/category/sony) said so…

If the era and the PS3 (http://sarcasticgamer.com/wp/index.php/category/sony/playstation/ps3) launched last year, why are Sony (http://sarcasticgamer.com/wp/index.php/category/sony) fans still waiting?
Oh, that’s right, that’s because Sony (http://sarcasticgamer.com/wp/index.php/category/sony) has yet to deliver on their promises in “next-gen” gaming , and really don’t show any sign of doing so any time soon. It really seems as though the best game available for the Playstation (http://sarcasticgamer.com/wp/index.php/category/sony/playstation) 3 is the Waiting Game, which every PS3 (http://sarcasticgamer.com/wp/index.php/category/sony/playstation/ps3) owner is playing to death.

Read on while I explain the PS3 (http://sarcasticgamer.com/wp/index.php/category/sony/playstation/ps3) Exclusive title called “The Waiting Game” after the jump!


Why are PS3 (http://sarcasticgamer.com/wp/index.php/category/sony/playstation/ps3) owners always waiting for the next big game, only to find that it doesn’t deliver? When the system first launched in November 2006, there was one solid game that you could get with it, Resistance: Fall of Man. Gamers were dropping $500-$600 for one good game and the promise of the great titles to come. Sony (http://sarcasticgamer.com/wp/index.php/category/sony) insisted, and so did its die-hard fans (sound like anyone you know around here?), that all gamers had to do was wait.
Yeah, it has been a rough launch, but just wait until Lair hits. That game looks awesome, but ten months later, the game launched with a resounding THUD! That’s okay, no big deal, Factor 5 really dropped the ball and we can’t blame Sony (http://sarcasticgamer.com/wp/index.php/category/sony). The game that we’re all waiting for is Heavenly Sword… September 2007: DOUBLE-THUD (rinse and repeat that sound for five hours).

It’s no big deal, the PS3 (http://sarcasticgamer.com/wp/index.php/category/sony/playstation/ps3) will have its saving grace this coming Christmas with Metal Gear Solid 4: Sons of Liberty… What?!?! That got pushed back too… uh… ok…

Super Rub-a-Dub is cool, I guess.

Are you PS3 (http://sarcasticgamer.com/wp/index.php/category/sony/playstation/ps3) gamers tired of this crap yet? When is enough going to be enough? I don’t know if anyone at Sony (http://sarcasticgamer.com/wp/index.php/category/sony) has noticed, but this industry is getting expensive; too expensive for most people. The days are gone when gamers owned multiple systems like they did 10-15 years ago. Nowadays, most gamers have to make a conscious decision on which system that they are going to buy because they are making a serious, financial investment and they hope that they get a good return on that investment over the course of that system’s life cycle. When Sony (http://sarcasticgamer.com/wp/index.php/category/sony) pitched its Playstation (http://sarcasticgamer.com/wp/index.php/category/sony/playstation) 3 to consumers, they pitched it simply on promise, assuming that their performance over the last two hardware generations was more than enough.

Well, let me answer one of my previous questions on behalf of myself: enough is enough.

It’s not a matter of when enough will be enough, because that time is now. Sony (http://sarcasticgamer.com/wp/index.php/category/sony), you have had an entire year to establish yourself in this generation of hardware and have done nothing more than to show us some pretty preview movies and the delay of titles is starting to wear thin. Gamers are getting tired of waiting; we want games and we want them now.

Yeah, Ratchet and Clank is nice, and Uncharted is supposed to be good… but 3 games in the course of a year, THREE FRICKIN’ GAMES?!?!?! You have got to be kidding me. I, for one, am not waiting. I have my 360 (http://sarcasticgamer.com/wp/index.php/category/360) and am thoroughly enjoying the extensive catalog of great games that have been flowing from the system in the past year. Granted, it took the 360 (http://sarcasticgamer.com/wp/index.php/category/360) a little bit of time to get it’s footing, but it is rolling in games now.

Oh well, enjoy your “Waiting Game” on the PS3 (http://sarcasticgamer.com/wp/index.php/category/sony/playstation/ps3), all I have to play is the likes of Gears of War, Halo (http://sarcasticgamer.com/wp/index.php/category/bungie/halo) 3, Forza 2, Splinter Cell, Orange Box (http://sarcasticgamer.com/wp/index.php/category/valve/half-life-2/orange-box), Viva Pinata (yeah, I said it), Call of Duty (http://sarcasticgamer.com/wp/index.php/category/call-of-duty) 2, Oblivion, Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter, Dead Rising … should I go on?

Despite all of those games, I am so jealous of you guys because the Waiting Game looks sweet… though not as sweet as the Wii (http://sarcasticgamer.com/wp/index.php/category/nintendo/wii)’s Waiting Game: Waiting For Online.

I bet Rothbart is rolling in his grave right now.

November 13th, 2007


Oh well, enjoy your “Waiting Game” on the PS3 (http://sarcasticgamer.com/wp/index.php/category/sony/playstation/ps3), all I have to play is the likes of Gears of War, Halo (http://sarcasticgamer.com/wp/index.php/category/bungie/halo) 3, Forza 2, Splinter Cell, Orange Box (http://sarcasticgamer.com/wp/index.php/category/valve/half-life-2/orange-box), Viva Pinata (yeah, I said it), Call of Duty (http://sarcasticgamer.com/wp/index.php/category/call-of-duty) 2, Oblivion, Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter, Dead Rising … should I go on?

Despite all of those games, I am so jealous of you guys because the Waiting Game looks sweet… though not as sweet as the Wii (http://sarcasticgamer.com/wp/index.php/category/nintendo/wii)’s Waiting Game: Waiting For Online.

This is a sorry excuse for a rant... especially one that's filling in for Rothbart...

Let's see... first off It's call of duty 4... not 2 you moron... (not to lono, the guy who ranted) And ps3 got it at the same time as the 360.
PS3 also has oblivion and GRAW2.
and out of the rest you mentioned, the only to great games are Halo 3 and Gears of War...
While it wasn't a ps3 game, people seem to forget that God of War 2 was released this year...

Heavenly Sword was not a flop. It was still an amazing game despite being short. I also enjoyed Lair.

PS3 still has Motorstorm, Uncharted, ROCF:TOD, Calling all Cars, Everyday Shooter, Warhawk, Folklore, Eye of Judgment (yeah, i said it!), Haze is looking to be good...

If you are actually going to rant about something, please at least come informed. You really look like a complete fool otherwise...

Eh... I'm bored now... I think I'll go play COD4... on my PS3

This is a sorry excuse for a rant... especially one that's filling in for Rothbart...

Let's see... first off It's call of duty 4... not 2 you moron... (not to lono, the guy who ranted) And ps3 got it at the same time as the 360.

No, I was actually referring to Call of Duty 2, not 4. Why would I mention 4 considering that it is available on both consoles? I am not that "uninformed"...

PS3 also has oblivion and GRAW2.

An Oblivion that wasn't nearly as well received as the original 360 version and who ever mentioned GRAW2? If you are going to pick apart my argument, which is fine, at least talk about the same games that I am talking about because you are bringing up games that I never even mentioned...

and out of the rest you mentioned, the only to great games are Halo 3 and Gears of War...
While it wasn't a ps3 game, people seem to forget that God of War 2 was released this year...

Heavenly Sword was not a flop. It was still an amazing game despite being short. I also enjoyed Lair.

PS3 still has Motorstorm, Uncharted, ROCF:TOD, Calling all Cars, Everyday Shooter, Warhawk, Folklore, Eye of Judgment (yeah, i said it!), Haze is looking to be good...

If you are actually going to rant about something, please at least come informed. You really look like a complete fool otherwise...

Aren't I entitled to my opinion(s)? I have been far from impressed with the PS3 lineup since launch and felt the need / opportunity to express so in the rant. I am sorry if you disagree, and you are entitled to your opinion as well...

Why the hell are you brining up 2 year old games then? Who cares about call of duty 2 when 4 is out? and same for original Graw?

But yeah... my bad for not reading it that carefully... I figured you would be talking about 360 games that actually mattered, not ones that came out when the 360 launched... :rolleyes:

I know you are entitled to your opinion, and I to mine.... But I had to make a rebuttle! So yeah, scratch you being uniformed... more like outdated ;)

Good job Duff. Valid points. And when a 2 year old game is better than a new game on the PS3, that says something, and it ain't good about the PS3.

Good job Duff. Valid points. And when a 2 year old game is better than a new game on the PS3, that says something, and it ain't good about the PS3.

Err... it was just *his* opinion that the 2 year old games are better than PS3 games...

And since the next installment of those series also appears on the PS3, you can't really say that they're better than games on the PS3 now...

BTW. Uncharted got a 9.1 from IGN :P

Why the hell are you brining up 2 year old games then? Who cares about call of duty 2 when 4 is out? and same for original Graw?

But yeah... my bad for not reading it that carefully... I figured you would be talking about 360 games that actually mattered, not ones that came out when the 360 launched... :rolleyes:

I know you are entitled to your opinion, and I to mine.... But I had to make a rebuttle! So yeah, scratch you being uniformed... more like outdated ;)

Did you ever stop to think he's comparing the 360 at its first year on the market to the PS3 now at its first year on the market?

I think that was the point because we know people would bitch if he compared the PS3 now to the 360 now.

Did you ever stop to think he's comparing the 360 at its first year on the market to the PS3 now at its first year on the market?

I think that was the point because we know people would bitch if he compared the PS3 now to the 360 now.

Then he shouldn't have brought up Halo 3...

THANK YOU darkwonders! I commend you for your steadfast faith in the PS3 and for Sony's promise of better games to come (RFOM 2, anyone?), despite most of the PS3's good (i.e. decent reviews and popular opinion) games being cross-platform anywho, and doggedly trying to defend the system in the face of Sony's incompetence...

Ok, sorry about that. Now that that's done, my real $0.02:

I think he brought up Halo 3 in order to cover his bases, thinking that someone was going to notice the whole time-shift in games that he mentioned. Not to mention that it's a freakin' awesome game in general, along with CoD 2 (haven't yet played 4), Orange Box, and Oblivion.

In my opinion, the point he's postulating is that what few good games the PS3 has had have either been few and far between (RFOM, Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank...three games, two of which are unreleased, in the course of two years. Hmm.), or have been cross platform with a system that is cheaper, can hold more stuff, is ZOMGBAKWARDZCOMPATIBLE, and has a cleaner, more refined online service that has been around for almost five years (*cough*360!*cough*). Don't even bother bringing up the RRoD issues; Microsoft is taking/has taken care of the issue in a manner only befitting the situation.

Thus, despite your protest of bringing up Halo 3 when someone stated that he was reviewing the systems' first years, it only served to back up his original point that the PS3 has almost no good games on the horizon, whereas the 360 is a whole other kettle of fish. QED.

When Rothbart asked me to cover these articles for him, he said that the most important thing was to try and scrounge up some sort of conversation / discussion in the forums, at least I succeeded in that much... This article was really just for the sake of sparking some debate and conversation guys...

THANK YOU darkwonders! I commend you for your steadfast faith in the PS3 and for Sony's promise of better games to come (RFOM 2, anyone?), despite most of the PS3's good (i.e. decent reviews and popular opinion) games being cross-platform anywho, and doggedly trying to defend the system in the face of Sony's incompetence...

Ok, sorry about that. Now that that's done, my real $0.02:

I think he brought up Halo 3 in order to cover his bases, thinking that someone was going to notice the whole time-shift in games that he mentioned. Not to mention that it's a freakin' awesome game in general, along with CoD 2 (haven't yet played 4), Orange Box, and Oblivion.

In my opinion, the point he's postulating is that what few good games the PS3 has had have either been few and far between (RFOM, Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank...three games, two of which are unreleased, in the course of two years. Hmm.), or have been cross platform with a system that is cheaper, can hold more stuff, is ZOMGBAKWARDZCOMPATIBLE, and has a cleaner, more refined online service that has been around for almost five years (*cough*360!*cough*). Don't even bother bringing up the RRoD issues; Microsoft is taking/has taken care of the issue in a manner only befitting the situation.

Thus, despite your protest of bringing up Halo 3 when someone stated that he was reviewing the systems' first years, it only served to back up his original point that the PS3 has almost no good games on the horizon, whereas the 360 is a whole other kettle of fish. QED.

Hmmm... At least PS3 has more variety for its top games than 360...

Let's look at the 360's top games shall we?

Gears of War- Shooter
Halo 3- another shooter
Bioshock- Wait... it can't be... Yup, Another shooter!

Now let's look at PS3's top games

Resistance: FOM- Shooter
Rachet and Clank Future: TOD- Platformer
Uncharted- Drake's Fortune- Action/Adventure

And just for the heck of it, i'll throw in Folklore if you don't think Uncharted is action/adventure enough

Folklore- Action/adventure/RPG

So 3 great games in 3 different categories... Interesting...

Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonata, and Mass Effect say Hello!

Japanese RPG, Japanese RPG, and Western RPG in case you weren't aware. I know, I was shocked, too. I mean, EVERYTHING on 360's a shooter.

Like Viva Pinata, Project Gotham Racing 3 and 4, Tomb Raider: Legend and Anniversary, Beautiful Katamari, Overlord, Tetris: Evolution, Kameo, Dead or Alive 4, Virtua Fighter 5, Fight Night Round 3, Enchanted Arms, Lego Star Wars, Conan, Burnout Paradise, Assassin's Creed, Ace Combat 6, and can't forget Guitar Hero II and III. Everyone knows they're shooters, too.

Oh, wait. You mean...those aren't shooters? But...they're on the 360 and he just said...Oh, I see. He was exaggerating to make a point. Kinda like how I'm being a jerk to prove him wrong.

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what so guitar hero 2 isnt a top game [ok its on the ps2 but the debates about the ps3]? pgr 4? forza 2? they are shooters. i also am not impressed by the ps3 or any future ps3 games.

ok, keavy rain pipped me there. but you get the point dont just pick 3 of the top games that are shooters to prove your arguement.

I could have added more games and some of those aren't the best the 360 has to offer but still...

The 360 is developing a diverse library of games. Its just that the controller is extremely well suited to First-Person Shooter games so those games will be preferred on the 360. I know last-gen I bought all my FPS games on Xbox simply because of the controller.

The SNES had some killer RPG's but I don't recall anyone ever saying "The SNES has nothing but RPG's. Geez, Nintendo. It sure would be nice to get something that's not an RPG on there."

Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonata, and Mass Effect say Hello!

Japanese RPG, Japanese RPG, and Western RPG in case you weren't aware. I know, I was shocked, too. I mean, EVERYTHING on 360's a shooter.

Like Viva Pinata, Project Gotham Racing 3 and 4, Tomb Raider: Legend and Anniversary, Beautiful Katamari, Overlord, Tetris: Evolution, Kameo, Dead or Alive 4, Virtua Fighter 5, Fight Night Round 3, Enchanted Arms, Lego Star Wars, Conan, Burnout Paradise, Assassin's Creed, Ace Combat 6, and can't forget Guitar Hero II and III. Everyone knows they're shooters, too.

Oh, wait. You mean...those aren't shooters? But...they're on the 360 and he just said...Oh, I see. He was exaggerating to make a point. Kinda like how I'm being a jerk to prove him wrong.

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And how many of those are exclusive that are actually good? Last Time I heard Both blue dragon and Beautiful katamari weren't that great... Mass effect isn't out yet. The reason I could talk about Uncharted because at least that has been reviewed by IGN. Another thing, the majority of other games you mentioned are multi platform... If you are going to make a counter-argument, at least make it good :rolleyes:

Come back when you have a better argument ;)

Coming from a guy who tried to pick out three shooters on the 360 as a be-all-end-all to his argument, only to get stomped by at least three other counterpoints.

Since you want to nitpick about games' status of being cross-platform invalidating them, then I guess half of your library just got chucked back out the window. Fancy that, huh?

The point he's making is, why bother with the PS3 when you can get the games on a system that, as I've already stated, is cheaper, backwards compatible (just in case), has a clean online service, and, oh, did I mention exclusive games (yes, including shooters) that are widely lauded (and, ergo, not looked down upon a la Heavenly Sword or Lair to an extent) by the video game community?

Not that I want to knock Resistance, I wish to do nothing of the sort; praise be to Insomniac (Ratchet and Clank for the WIN) for single-handedly keeping the PS3 afloat that first year.

Coming from a guy who tried to pick out three shooters on the 360 as a be-all-end-all to his argument, only to get stomped by at least three other counterpoints.

Since you want to nitpick about games' status of being cross-platform invalidating them, then I guess half of your library just got chucked back out the window. Fancy that, huh?

The point he's making is, why bother with the PS3 when you can get the games on a system that, as I've already stated, is cheaper, backwards compatible (just in case), has a clean online service, and, oh, did I mention exclusive games (yes, including shooters) that are widely lauded (and, ergo, not looked down upon a la Heavenly Sword or Lair to an extent) by the video game community?

Not that I want to knock Resistance, I wish to do nothing of the sort; praise be to Insomniac (Ratchet and Clank for the WIN) for single-handedly keeping the PS3 afloat that first year.

Why the hell are people bringing up backwards compatibility? Last time i checked both the 60 and 80 GB models had backwards compatibility...

And why would I want a cheaper system that has a ridiculously high failure rate? ;) Even though the PS3 has a smaller selection, at least it can handle games...

The reason why I brought up the multiplatform games like COD4 and GRAW2 was because Duff decided to brag about COD2 and GRAW... So I made the point why do those even matter anymore when you have the next and better versions of them?

Finally, the reason why I picked out the three shooters was because those are the three best games on the 360. They're the ones that got the highest ratings... Now compare it to the highest rated PS3 games and you see a better variety. I wasn't exaggerating, I was simply just making an observations on the best games the system has to offer...

That good enough of a response for you? ( Yeah I know the RROD stab was a cheap shot, but hey, I gotta take what I can! ;) )

As of October of this year, that failure rate should be almost nonexistent, with Microsoft doing its best to rectify all the RRoD complaints its been given to deal with. Ergo, your "cheap shot" is irrelevant because the problem has effectively been rectified. Not once have I heard of one of the new chipsets getting the RRoD.

Earlier versions of games matter because maybe, juuust maybe, people don't want to or can't afford the latest and greatest games around, and so turn towards earlier titles to derive their enjoyment. If they find those versions more enjoyable than their latest and greatest derivatives, then that's why they matter to those people. Games aren't about who can get the greatest ratings from IGN or Game Informer (well, with the latter one doesn't even have to try); games have been, and always will be about, having fun. If someone finds an old version of a game better than a new one, then so be it.

Finally, yes, the top three games on 360 are shooters. Fine. But even if you don't want to play shooters, there's plenty of other great games for the 360, such as PGR3/4, DoA4, Eternal Sonata, and Ace Combat 6 (ZOMG, the first Ace Combat NOT on a PlayStation...I wonder why...). On the flip side, the PS3 has...wait, what does it have to fall back on now?

I never cared for Ace combat... And why would I want a developer that all they care about is money? Developers like Insomniac and Naughty Dog at least care about making a great game, not which system will give the most profit...

And that's great that people find older games enjoyable, but if you are going to say that scores don't matter as long as people have fun, then I can add Lair and Heavenly Sword to the list of PS3 games :p

I still enjoyed both of those games despite having less than stellar reviews.

And what does the PS3 have right now? Well I'll just look at the games I have. (Yes, some of these are multiplatform, but so be it... I only have a PS3, so can't really get the 360 versions atm)

Call of Duty 4, Eye of Judgment, Folklore, GRAW2, Heavenly Sword, Lair, Motorstorm, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Oblivion, Resistance: FOM, and Warhawk. Next week I'll be adding Uncharted to that list, and I should be getting Rachet and Clank Future for my birthday.

So 13 games right there... Damn... I wish I had more, cause I have endless amounts of time to play games :rolleyes:

Hehe, sorry, couldn't resist that one either. I'm really liking this debate... Too bad Rothbart isn't here to help me... I'm sure he'd have a thing or two to say about the PS3.

And yes, I'm probably shooting myself in the foot for this debate by saying this, but I'm hoping to get a 360 for Xmas... Yeah... I'm a horrible person.... Defending the PS3 and still getting a 360. What can I say? I'm a gamer, I need to expand my gaming a bit ;)

I've always been a 1 console person. Genesis over SNES. PS1 over Saturn. PS2 over Dreamcast. When my PS2 died, I purchased an Xbox to play Halo and KOTOR and never went back to PS2 until just recently.

There has been nothing compelling to make me want to buy the PS3 to this point. Next year I plan to get a PS3 because the price will be better and some of the great exclusives, plus I hope that by then their online will be more like XBL.

When the Wii drops down to $50 and comes with Mario Galaxy, then I'll consider buying it.

Oooh, oooh, can I post my game collection then defend the variety on the 360?

Okay so I have: Final Fantasy XI, Oblivion: GOTY, Blue Dragon, Dead Rising, Bullet Witch, Earth Defense Force 2017 (As soon as GameFly sends it. $14!), Crackdown, and then there's Mass Effect with Lost Odyssey and GTA IV on preorder along with my Xbox collection (Psychonauts, GTA III, The Suffering and The Suffering: Ties That Bind) along with my 14 XBLA games (Aegis Wing, Carcassonne, Castlevania: SOTN, Catan, Crystal Quest, Frogger, Geometry Wars, Hexic HD, Hexic 2, Joust, Puzzle Quest, Sonic the Hedgehog, Sonic 2, and Tetris Splash) I think I have a pretty diverse lineup.

Also, when it comes to reliability my 360 has the PS2 beat and when it comes to customer service post-hardware failure Microsoft is the winner. At no point during my call to Microsoft over my RROD did the one person I talked to make me out to be the bad guy. Yes, I talked to one person throughout the whole thing! Not only that, but my total time on the phone was seven minutes.

On top of that I got a brand new 360 two weeks later with a free month of XBL Gold.

I know I must sound like a Xbox fanboy going on like this but Microsoft really impressed me.

Buying my 360 was the best $240 I ever spent.

Nice collection you got there. I would post my PSN and PS2 games but I'm too damn lazy... So err... I believe this debate is somewhat over considering your counter argument wasn't even against the PS3... :rolleyes:

So yeah... I have no more comments to make... Gotta get some sleep in so I can play Uncharted tomorrow!

There's only three games out that I really want that I don't have. Bioshock, Call of Duty 4, and Eternal Sonata. Gears is a maybe. If I could get it new for $20, I'd grab it but if not, no loss.

Once I get those and my preorders come in I'll be set until this time next year game-wise.

Plus I still have Final Fantasy XII and Dragon Quest VIII on PS2 to finish.

When Rothbart asked me to cover these articles for him, he said that the most important thing was to try and scrounge up some sort of conversation / discussion in the forums, at least I succeeded in that much... This article was really just for the sake of sparking some debate and conversation guys...

Wow... Duff... honestly, I didn't think I'd be throwing you to the wolves... they didn't hold back on you. For those of you in doubt, Duff's COMPLETELY qualified to fill in for me and as he himself noted, he's done a fine job.

I even encouraged Duff to tackle topics I might not necessarily be motivated to cover.

Props to Duff for stirring some stuff up and getting people talking.

Wow... Duff... honestly, I didn't think I'd be throwing you to the wolves... they didn't hold back on you. For those of you in doubt, Duff's COMPLETELY qualified to fill in for me and as he himself noted, he's done a fine job.

I even encouraged Duff to tackle topics I might not necessarily be motivated to cover.

Props to Duff for stirring some stuff up and getting people talking.

Yeah I know he's qualified. I was just an idiot and didn't read his article properly, but nonetheless I still defended my stance on the "lack" of PS3 games.

BTW, Uncharted is out now. Amazing game. I was able to finally peel myself away. No loading times really sucks you into a game.

I picked it up to, but I haven't played it yet. Tonight... ah, yes... tonight! :D