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*After spending the whole 15 minutes talking about RE5*

"We'll get to more RE5 on the Red Show"


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Seems to be a hot topic :lol:

few things i want to say:

1. DLC - THIS IS BULLSH*T. I've sent a few emails to some big cheese's at Capcom letting them know how i feel. I'm not going to spam them, its not my style. Plus, I believe 500 hundred emails from different people will turn a lot more corporate heads than 500 emails from one person. So we need to start spreading the word and getting as many people as possible to address this issue. This is way bigger than me, way bigger than the SGC, and we need to get people involved! If we dont stand up and make this as big a deal as it needs to be, not only will CAPCOM continue to do this in the future, but other companies WILL notice, and why wouldnt they try the same? If we as gamers are going to let Capcom walk all over us like this, it will NOT take long for us to become a doormat for companies that are just as willing to take advantage of it like Capcom has. Stand up, speak up, spread out.

2. RACISM - Shut the F*ck up. I have to quote Colbert here when i say "I don't see color". I would rant more on this but I think there were great points made in the HDUP so I'll leave it at that for the sake of not repeating the good points Lono and his twitter responses made.

3. THE GAME - as far as this game goes, it is a GREAT game. i just saw Sessler tear it a new *sshole on the xplay review, someone must not have got a free copy. 3 months ago all Sessler could talk about was RE5 and how as long as it resembled RE4 it would be great. Now hes bitching about the same controls, same animations, and crappy storyline. I love the game, I didnt expect much innovation from the last, but honestly all I wanted was a polished new RE game with the same feel as RE4. It definitely isnt as "scary" as RE used to be, it is a lot more obvious in the environments and didnt make me jump once. But I havent expected that anymore since RE1. great game, must have for 360 owners.

thnx for the shout Lono, had a blast playing with ya :thumbsup:

The stun baton adds nicely to the argument :lol:

South park did it best, modern society is so concerned about being about being racist that when something happens they're quick to call it out so they can blame someone. Completely forgetting that we're color blind.

And here a crappy wannabe xkcd comic I made

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/giveemhell/RE5comic.png

Heavy on Res5 today, but i guess that what you wanna talk about. Some laughs and debate. . . great podcast :thumbsup:

EDIT: Twitter in the outro. . . . Grrrr! :lol:

Heavy on Res5 today, but i guess that what you wanna talk about. Some laughs and debate. . . great podcast :thumbsup:

EDIT: Twitter in the outro. . . . Grrrr! :lol:

The twitter talk will never end, FYI... :grin:

I'm liking RE5 so far, i'm at the boat part now, there's been lots of varied environments, it's not all shanty towns. I randomly found a dragunov sniper rifle in a locker which was awesome :D

And the boss that comes out of the back of a truck in the second chapter was brilliant. (trying to avoid spoilers)

Hard RE5 is Hard.

"You're gonna wanna play through it on easy your first time through...." Ummm even Rothbart plays games on normal

Game like a Man (http://www.gamesradar.com/f/the-etiquette-of-gaming-like-a-man/a-2008111311138232068)

It seems whenever an African American is involved in anything besides a presidentile election, it is consideoried racist.

Hard RE5 is Hard.

"You're gonna wanna play through it on easy your first time through...." Ummm even Rothbart plays games on normal

Game like a Man (http://www.gamesradar.com/f/the-etiquette-of-gaming-like-a-man/a-2008111311138232068)

I don't play on easy either...

I think Doc should give RE5 another chance because honestly, The other levels are SO much more fun then the demo.

Look I don't want to start an argument but I would just like to say this about all the complaining about how you can't move and shoot.

You can NOT move in a Resident Evil game, you never could and I hope to god if they make another you never will. Resident Evil has always been a game about ammo conservation and if you are low on ammo you are NOT going to be walking or running and shooting at the same time. Why? Because you can not shoot accurately when you are moving, it's common frigging sense.

"well if I were surrounded by zombies I would run and shoot"

A) No you wouldn't you'd s*** your pants and go cry in a corner waiting to die.

B) It's called picking out your targets then turning around quickly to get to safety so you can clear your path to get away.

You would be the biggest moron to run around wasting your ammo and missing your target, which would only make you a failure because you were killed. Not only that but where in the hell are you going to run and shoot anyway? You're put in tight spot's where it would be impossible to do.

I also very much agree with you Lono that when you're playing the game you don't even think about running (not that I ever wanted to)

Haven't any of you naysayers even played Resident Evil before? If you liked the previous ones I have no idea how you could hate this one... Oh wait, I do know, because you can run and gun in Gears of War and other new games so you think that THAT'S the way that all games should be designed :roll:

Anyway on a lighter note, I don't think I've had so much fun playing co-op in a game. There are just endless strategies that you can come up with via communication and it's just a blast... I feel like this is going to be one of those games where you can just keep playing it and it will ultimately be different with each person you play with.

The Mercenaries is a blast and is crazy addicting. I love it, worth every single penny I spent on it.

It seems whenever an African American is involved in anything besides a presidentile election, it is consideoried racist.

^^ What!!??

So let me get this straight... when african americans are involved in something ... its considered racist? involved in what? considered by whom?

... and what the f#ck does a presidential election have to do with it?

2. RACISM - Shut the F*ck up. I have to quote Colbert here when i say "I don't see color".


^^ And what the hell is this!!! I love it when certain individuals say " racism doesnt exist so shut up you black _ _ _ _ " lol. All this i dont see color , Im color blind , blah blah blah , is TOTAL BULSH#T. Yea it sounds good saying it. Sounds all noble and sh#t , but in reality you know thats lie.

Now as far as RE5 is concerned , Ive played the demo , looks great , no gameplay issues , not great enough to pull me off KZ2 though.[just my opinion, so calm down fanboys] .I'm a black dude and I dont feel the game is racist . If the story takes place in Africa or wherever then duhh. How geographically or culturally incorrect would it be if they had a bunch of white folks runnin around in the slum villages of Africa.

^^ And what the hell is this!!! I love it when certain individuals say " racism doesnt exist so shut up you black _ _ _ _ " lol. All this i dont see color , Im color blind , blah blah blah , is TOTAL BULSH#T. Yea it sounds good saying it. Sounds all noble and sh#t , but in reality you know thats lie.

dude how ignorant can you be. I WAS SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, so get down off ur high horse and quit blowing sunshine up ur ass. of course racism exists. its one of the biggest problems in the world, and it will always exist. i was NOT speaking towards black people. i dont give a shit if ur black, white, yellow, or ****ing purple. if thats the first thing you notice and judge in someone, then ur an asshole. you ZENMARCO obviously just stroll around assuming everyone you see is judging you, dont flatter urself. most people have better things to do and as i said, the ones that dont are assholes.

see now you've actually given me something legitimate to judge you by, and from where im sitting you sound like part of the problem.

and id like you to show me where i said "now shut up you black whatever".
prick.

dude how ignorant can you be. I WAS SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, so get down off ur high horse and quit blowing sunshine up ur ass. of course racism exists. its one of the biggest problems in the world, and it will always exist. i was NOT speaking towards black people. i dont give a shit if ur black, white, yellow, or ****ing purple. if thats the first thing you notice and judge in someone, then ur an asshole. you ZENMARCO obviously just stroll around assuming everyone you see is judging you, dont flatter urself. most people have better things to do and as i said, the ones that dont are assholes.

see now you've actually given me something legitimate to judge you by, and from where im sitting you sound like part of the problem.

and id like you to show me where i said "now shut up you black whatever".
prick.

:lol: nice.

I love it when certain individuals cry out the "i dont care if youre white , green , blue or purple." lol as if purple people exist. As if racism begins and ends with skin COLOR and not an unfamiliar ethnicity or mis-understood culture.

So to you Im an asshole if i meet someone and consider them to be a cool white guy , or a cool asian guy , or a cool whatever. The fact that im acknowledging there race is wrong to you? yea whateva mf!

Dude if to you I'm up on a "high horse" , YOU put me there! Wow! Am i the one who "strolls around" assuming people are judging me. And those that dont have better things to do while those that do are assholes? lmao which category do you fall under rock0 ?

lol @ prick.

u arent even beginning to understand the points im trying to make. u just hear what you want to hear, typical.

haha are you serious? im aware purple people dont exist, thats part of the sarcasm.

well tell me how else skin is judged mr. culture. the wrinkles? the freckles? scars? im eager to find out!

skin color and race are two completely different things, for ****s sake man.

im done with this argument because im guessing your young and immature, and if not then i feel sorry for you. real talk.

what the hell kind of question is that "how else is skin judged?" Who the f#ck said anything about judging skin?

typical? whats typical?

I was trying to have an intullectual convo about race and whether or not racism applies to RE5 without getting ugly , but after numerous unclever attempts at insulting zen marco , ive come to realize you being "done" [or quitting] maybe the best move youve made in this thread.

Go ahead and assume that im young , immature , ignorant , etc. lol yea whatever makes you feel better. I'm comfortable with ending it here too , my assumptions of rokk0 have been solidified.... I'm good.

have a nice "colorblind" day dude :D

Dave was HORSE.

its funny when people get all riled up over the question if its racist. i know its not racist, i dont think of it in that way, so why spend my time and effort trying to vindicate it when i can instead be enjoying it. i think the real issue is the dlc. you see someone makes this fake race issue so they can screw us over on the dlc. croal and capcom must be in cahoots...

You asked if any game charges for multi-player and couldn't think of one. Its called the XBOX 360 you can't play online at all without paying for a membership, how is that different? Just thought I would throw that out there.

Being a bit sarcastic but not really...

To Zem:

My reply was simply a joke. It just is a joke about how people get worked up over something that is "racist" when it actually isn't.

You asked if any game charges for multi-player and couldn't think of one. Its called the XBOX 360 you can't play online at all without paying for a membership, how is that different? Just thought I would throw that out there.

Being a bit sarcastic but not really...

That's a service, not a game.

Dam dlc!

And i dont see how its racist in this game, they are in africa so there are african people who are infected simple as tbh....

hilarious podcast again =p

You asked if any game charges for multi-player and couldn't think of one. Its called the XBOX 360 you can't play online at all without paying for a membership, how is that different? Just thought I would throw that out there.

Being a bit sarcastic but not really...

it's different... and you know it.

it's different... and you know it.

Online gaming is free on all other platforms, just as multiplayer is free on all other games. Paying for xbl just unlocks abilities that the 360 already has, just as the DLC just unlocks the data on the disk. I felt ripped off after paying for xbl, just as I suspect I would feel ripped off if I payed for the dlc.

However DLC is game content, while XBL is a service. That's one difference.

i sisnt know we had to pay for new multiplayer mode's this sucks

I say this im like doc I couldn't stand standing still shooting but I agree with lono on the its on the disk because you would need something big on it not to be able to shoot and move. Besides it will suck if the maps are open becuase the first to shoot wins

I'm actually with Doc about RE5, I played the demo, and that was enough for me. I did not have fun in the demo, so I expect paying $50+ ("plus" as it turns out with the multiplayer DLC) wouldn't change that. I find it really sad that Capcom is selling the multiplayer when they don't know if people will even like it. Is the multiplayer even that strong to warrent hundreds of Microsoft Points?

Zen i didnt even say anything remotely insulting to anyone, just stating my opinion on a controversial topic. and you, out of nowhere, decide to hop on, call me out, and start some shit. theres plenty of other forums if you just like arguing all day long. however, i have a rather important life outside of the internet and i dont have the time to constantly defend myself against little kids on message boards. so sure, you win :thumbsup:

I was thinking everything about the zombies with RE5 but hadn't gotten a chance to listen in until tonight.

So how come the racist thing only seems to go one way? If we are shooting black zombies thats racist, however shooting white zombies is just expected? I think RE has done a plenty good job of sharing the zombie love.

I dont think its a " one way" thing. And honestly i dont know who's shouting racism with this game because thats not true. Most zombie-like games have crowds of zombies made up of diffrent races. On Some games, the developers didnt take the time to add many minorities to the zombie crowd and therefore you had basically an all-white horde of zombies. It was bound to happen when a horror / survival game would take place at a certain location where the majority of zombies would be of the minority race here in the U.S. Like if it was RE:Mexico or RE:Puerto Rico.

This [highly profiled / marketed ] game i think is one of the first next-gen FPSs to have the action take place in africa. The lead character is a white dude , and your basic objective is to blast your way through african zombies til the end. I personally have no problem with that but i can see why someone would mistakenly be offended by that. Someone who is senstive to violence and racial issues and probably doesnt even play video games.

This [highly profiled / marketed ] game i think is one of the first next-gen FPSs to have the action take place in Africa. The lead character is a white dude , and your basic objective is to blast your way through African zombies til the end. I personally have no problem with that but i can see why someone would mistakenly be offended by that. Someone who is sensitive to violence and racial issues and probably doesn't even play video games.

Chris is the only white "cop" in the game. Sheva is not white nor is Josh as well as most of the army squads that pop in and out. Yes the game can be criticized as racist but only if you're to ignorant to look past one character.

That's a service, not a game.
You still have to PAY for multiplayer
it's different... and you know it.
In a way yes, in a way no. Its just more accepted now.

Online gaming is free on all other platforms, just as multiplayer is free on all other games. Paying for xbl just unlocks abilities that the 360 already has, just as the DLC just unlocks the data on the disk. I felt ripped off after paying for xbl, just as I suspect I would feel ripped off if I payed for the dlc.

However DLC is game content, while XBL is a service. That's one difference.
That was my point, although by paying for their service you get a better service no doubt. I was just saying.

Anyone who wants to know why the racism only goes one way should read Shawn Elliott's post (which was actually made last April when the RE5 trailer first came out).

http://shawnelliott.blogspot.com/2009/03/preserving-past-blog-entries-part-one.html

To say that previously released Resident Evil games featured rabid mobs of Spaniards and Americans of mixed ethnicity simply won't do. To many Americans, an animalistic, homicidal white man is an anomaly, and an animalistic, homicidal black man is a recognizable "type" with historical and institutional precedent. This is what Croal refers to when he says "the imagery is not the same. It doesn't carry the same history, doesn't carry the same weight." Some discussion of the taxonomy of stereotypical, racially insensitive, and/or outright racist imagery of blacks -- such as revolting notions of sambos, minstrels, and savages, as well as the spiritual and moral mentors to non-black figures who feature in many Hollywood movies -- might have preempted much of the reactionary posting that is appearing online. However, I understand that it is not the Newsweek writer's obligation to provide crash courses in black history for an American audience that ought to know better.

This is only part of the post.