I just finished the campaign mode in Killzone 2. I gave this game more than a chance to impress me, and I just don't see what all of the fuss is about! I think the game looks gorgeous, but that's just about where the adoration ends. The controls are sluggish, as if my guy is underwater; the hit detection is great in some areas, and piss poor in others (I found myself killing guys through walls in some areas and then clearly seeing them in others yet hitting some invisible barrier.) The story is awful, easily worse than anything Gears 2 dished out on us, and the guns are all weak and inaccurate (excluding the sniper rifle and the electricity gun). And speaking of guns... Really, you can't let me carry TWO? I'm stuck with a useless SIX SHOOTER?!? as my second weapon? WTF?! Is this the wild west? A six shooter? At least the Helghast got pistols.
Seriously everyone, why are people going ga-ga over this turd? This is the most over-rated game of the year, if not the decade. If you are considering purchasing this game, please take my advice and rent it first. The campaign in very short, so get through that during your rental and then go online to see if that tickles your fancy.
In my book, this game would get a 7 out of 10. Not a bad game, but nothing revolutionary in the slightest.

PS: The mech driving in the second to last chapter was fun!

It almost sounds like you need to go online and download the patch (I am making an assumption but you don't mention the online at all so it's possible you don't have PSN set up)... When you download the patch it takes care of the sluggish controls. Otherwise it's personal preference. Personally I enjoyed the story and a couple of levels stood out in my mind, plus the online is fun.

Well, that makes one of you.

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/6905/704k.jpg

you just ****ed up in saying killzone 2 is anything less than genre defining and AAA blockbusting whoop ass Microsoft doom

the fanboys will literally respond to this thread negatively now and try to make you look stupid and presumptious

you. will. die.

Judging KZ2 completely on single player is dumb IMO. The online multi-player is the meat of KZ2, which is the part that makes the game great. If I were to judge KZ2, R2, SOCOM on PS2, Crash Commando, Gears 1 (which had an awful single player, but awesome multi), etc. on single player, oh course I wouldn't think they are great. KZ2 is meant to be played online IMO.

you just ****ed up in saying killzone 2 is anything less than genre defining and AAA blockbusting whoop ass Microsoft doom

the fanboys will literally respond to this thread negatively now and try to make you look stupid and presumptious

you. will. die.

Agreed, I also thought that there was too much hype dr the game but if you actually play it properly (All patches, at least 1 hour online) tun you will have nothing to bash/fear.:evil:

A game doesn't have to innovate or be revolutionary to be fantastic. Name one revolutionary innovation in Halo 3.

Like others have already said the meat of KZ2 is the online, and the online is fantastic. It isn't a twitchy shooter. If that is your fancy, then it just isn't the kind of game you. I don't like fighting games, so I don't buy them. Same thing.

Oh and the six shooter is a pistol. It is also very powerful.

Epic Fail...

Epic Fail...

cliché   [klee-shey, kli-] –noun 1. a trite, stereotyped expression; a sentence or phrase, usually expressing a popular or common thought or idea, that has lost originality, ingenuity, and impact by long overuse

:angry:Your OVERRATED!!!:shocked::lipssealed::huh::angry:




:tongue:

I liked it man.
I liked how the story went as well. I actually cared when Garza died (f**k spoilers) and I legitimately wanted to pop Natko in the head because he was a jackass.
I've gone through the campaign many times on each difficulties and am still doing so to get 0 deaths and trophies...this is all without multiplayer, which is amazing.

The control is personal preference as well. I picked up the default controls (before patch) instantly.

I expect to hear some "piece of s**t" thrown around on TS. You have the right to your opinion, but I have the right to disagree.

(OMG! d00d ur @ tr0ll!!!111!one11!eleven). :tongue:

cliché   [klee-shey, kli-] –noun 1. A trite, stereotyped expression; a sentence or phrase, usually expressing a popular or common thought or idea, that has lost originality, ingenuity, and impact by long overuse



epic fail

epic fail

You may only say that if you have spent over9,000 years on 4chan.

An example, to test your worthiness, is this picture:

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/3244/1055l.jpg

If you don't get it, or you don't laugh, then the epic fail is on you.

You may only say that if you have spent over9,000 years on 4chan.



If you don't get it, or you don't laugh, then the epic fail is on you.

Let the kid have his feeling of "that was a cool thing to say in the moment" he obviously need it

EDITS:

I think this picture should be the test personally
http://labs.cybozu.co.jp/blog/akky/4chan.jpg

Let the kid have his feeling of "that was a cool thing to say in the moment" he obviously need it

EDITS:

I think this picture should be the test personally
http://labs.cybozu.co.jp/blog/akky/4chan.jpg

:wink2: i don't get it :S

anyways have you got the new patches yet? they make the controls fine and also if you play on the standard control scheme it works fine because that's the way GG meant it to be played.
Try playing multiplayer first before you pass judgement you obviously haven't due to your lack of putting anything about it in

I welcome troll send it to
Doc@sarcasticgamer.com

Wait what did you guys say????????

EPIC FAIL

*cracks the door open and peers into thread*
ugh....
*leaves*

True, I haven't played multi yet, and I will definitely try it out before making any final decisions about the game... And my PS3 has been updating for an hour or so now in hopes of getting better handling, so we'll see how that goes. I guess my point is that this game was hyped all the way to heaven and back before AND after its release as if it were the "SHOOTER TO END ALL SHOOTERS! THE GAME TO DEFINE ALL FUTURE GAMES," and that was by the players. I expect the developers to lie to me about how great a game is (Cliffy B. I'm looking at you) but when a gaming community is the one to trumpet a game I tend to listen. All that said, I still have to go online and I still have to see what this update does to the game.
But just a couple gripes about some of the comments in here:
"Epic Fail" : Get some weaksauce for that taco in your drawers.
"The Six Shooter is great" : Would you take a six shooter to a gun fight today? Let alone in a future where we inhabit other planets and have spaceship fleets.
"What innovations did Halo 3 have?" : Good Lord. You can't be serious for SO many reasons. Please, please, Sony-fanboys, STOP comparing KZ2 to a game that was released 2 1/2 years ago! And even when you DO compare the two, I think the continued success of the online matches for Halo speak to the overall success of that title...even 2 1/2 years later. Where do you think KZ2 will be that far in the future? Anyone care to place any bets with me that KZ2 will not be getting HALF the online matches that Halo 3 will be getting? And before you ask how that relates to "innovation," let me explain that the online perfection IS the innovation there.

No worries. Check in when you get the patch going, I'm curious to see if that alleviates the control issues.

No really I am serious. I wasn't comparing KZ2 to Halo 3. I was pointing out the continuity in standards for innovation. Halo changed things in the beginning, but 3 changed nothing. In no way did anybody penalize the game for that. They liked what they got. However when KZ2 comes out and don't change things, it is all of a sudden a huge mark against it. If one game is going to get marked down for not innovating, then so should other games.

Peoples tastes are different. You don't like the game, that is fine. I didn't like Halo 3 when it came out, but I didn't go on any forums creating threads of hate towards it.. Instead I sold it back after getting CoD4. If you payed attention to any of the reviews, then you would have known every thing you posted. They all said the story is forgettable, the controls are slow and heavy, and it doesn't do anything new. Yet they scored it really high because they still enjoyed it. When you play the multiplayer, play it for a long time before coming to an opinion. You start out with nothing, and have to work to unlock the classes.

Oh and Halo 3 came out a year and half ago. Another game that came out at the same time is still relevant today, CoD4, so that isn't exactly too far to look at.

One last thing. Stop throwing around the word "fanboy". With what knowledge do you have gives you the right to justifiably and correctly label me a fanboy? People throw that word around too much this generation. All a person has to do is disagree to be labeled a fanboy. It is ridiculous and ignorant. I own and enjoy every system out this generation.

@Chubby - I agree with you 100% on the fanboy thing. I've been labeled an X-Bot more times than I care to remember and I own all of the systems. But to the contrary of your point about Halo 3, I distinctly remember PLENTY of complaints about Halo 3 not innovating anything. I think it's only real claim to fame was perfecting the online matchmaking, which is as close as it got to innovation. However, I don't REQUIRE innovation to enjoy a game, and the lack of innovation in KZ2 wasn't my point here... My point was just that this game did not live up to the expectations set by the multitude of adoring fans that insisted that this was destined to be the game of the year. However, before I incite more angry rebukes, give me a chance to play online after this patch downloads to see if it cures my woes.

PS. If the control issues are truly cured by this patch then I will be pretty frustrated that I slogged through the campaign in downer-druggie mode!

Wait. I forgot about something with Halo 3. Forge! That was certainly a big innovation!

@Chubby - I agree with you 100% on the fanboy thing. I've been labeled an X-Bot more times than I care to remember and I own all of the systems. But to the contrary of your point about Halo 3, I distinctly remember PLENTY of complaints about Halo 3 not innovating anything. I think it's only real claim to fame was perfecting the online matchmaking, which is as close as it got to innovation. However, I don't REQUIRE innovation to enjoy a game, and the lack of innovation in KZ2 wasn't my point here... My point was just that this game did not live up to the expectations set by the multitude of adoring fans that insisted that this was destined to be the game of the year. However, before I incite more angry rebukes, give me a chance to play online after this patch downloads to see if it cures my woes.

PS. If the control issues are truly cured by this patch then I will be pretty frustrated that I slogged through the campaign in downer-druggie mode!


Ok wait, this is twice now that you've talked about Halo 3's online play and used the word 'perfection' to describe it. Are you serious?? It's garbage!!! Nothing is more frustrating than playing the same friggin three maps over and over again, switching between all pistols, then all swords, then all of those hammer thingies(it's been to long, I don't remember what it was exactly). The match making process in Halo is one of the most AWFUL things I've ever experienced in an online game! Even playing Warcraft 2 over a dial up connection 13 years ago and constantly having to call my friend to tell him "I'm ready for an incoming connection" to reconnect after disconnecting mid game wasn't as annoying as Halo 3's matchmaking.

Anyway... Like someone else mentioned, the reasons you gave that justify you calling it over rated are the exact same flaws that the people hyping it up warned us all about. Reviewers all said, the story sucks, controls are different than what you're used to, you only get one weapon, but this game is really fun! Yeah, we already know that.

Seriously, if LONO the Master xbox360 fanboy comes to our weekly gamer nights to play it with all of us, and LIKES it, then you know the game has got to be at least an 8 :thumbsup:

Everyone gets their own opinion.... we just don't care about yours :lol:

A game doesn't have to innovate or be revolutionary to be fantastic. Name one revolutionary innovation in Halo 3.

Like others have already said the meat of KZ2 is the online, and the online is fantastic. It isn't a twitchy shooter. If that is your fancy, then it just isn't the kind of game you. I don't like fighting games, so I don't buy them. Same thing.

Oh and the six shooter is a pistol. It is also very powerful.

Forge, I Win :lol: People defend a game to much based on one mode. I'm sorry but this is not the case anymore. I was the first to say that Killzone 2 is very overrated & the instant decline in sales has proven this point. The people who wanted the game has already purchased it. People who were skeptical of it have not. It's going to the trinkle sales effect now & that's at only 1 million. In Halos defense, this didn't happen until the 5 million mark. Trust me when I say that I am not a fan of Halo. My GT proves that since I've put no more than a few hours into Halo 3 & Halo 2. I will say though that it is a much better game than Killzone 2 in many ways.

Killzone 2 gets its ass handed to by Gears of War 2 in terms of multiplayer. Killzone 2 does support more players in a game overall but lacks the depth that is found in Gears 2. Gears 2 has more modes & shipped with more maps. It almost makes no sense seeing that Killzone 2 has been in a development cycle for a long time & uses a much more roomier format. Yet, it only comes with 8 multiplayer maps? Really??? It is the reason why you see it always lose comparison topics brought up my gaming websites. Killzone 2 is a prettier looking game but Gears 2 is a much better game overall. I won't even get started on the controls. I damn near flung my PS3 pad against a wall cus of it.

-LatinLegacy

Forge, I Win :lol: People defend a game to much based on one mode. I'm sorry but this is not the case anymore. I was the first to say that Killzone 2 is very overrated & the instant decline in sales has proven this point. The people who wanted the game has already purchased it. People who were skeptical of it have not. It's going to the trinkle sales effect now & that's at only 1 million. In Halos defense, this didn't happen until the 5 million mark. Trust me when I say that I am not a fan of Halo. My GT proves that since I've put no more than a few hours into Halo 3 & Halo 2. I will say though that it is a much better game than Killzone 2 in many ways.

Killzone 2 gets its ass handed to by Gears of War 2 in terms of multiplayer. Killzone 2 does support more players in a game overall but lacks the depth that is found in Gears 2. Gears 2 has more modes & shipped with more maps. It almost makes no sense seeing that Killzone 2 has been in a development cycle for a long time & uses a much more roomier format. Yet, it only comes with 8 multiplayer maps? Really??? It is the reason why you see it always lose comparison topics brought up my gaming websites. Killzone 2 is a prettier looking game but Gears 2 is a much better game overall. I won't even get started on the controls. I damn near flung my PS3 pad against a wall cus of it.

-LatinLegacy

1. Yes!!! I knew sales figures would come into this sooner or later :thumbsup:

2. You try to pass your opinion as facts which makes you sound like a douche. I seriously don't believe a word you just said, simply because I personally think Gears 2 BLOWS! It was the final nail in my 360's coffin. That game is what convinced me that the 360 is a crappy gaming console! Sorry my friend, but once again, LL FTL

@Talkingship I don't like the single player but KZ2 has a great multiplayer, it is up there with CoD4. Also, I can see why you don't like the revolver, in the single player it sucks but if you spent enough time online, you would find that it is similar to the pistol in Halo CE(2 shot kills FTW).

1. Yes!!! I knew sales figures would come into this sooner or later :thumbsup:

2. You try to pass your opinion as facts which makes you sound like a douche. I seriously don't believe a word you just said, simply because I personally think Gears 2 BLOWS! It was the final nail in my 360's coffin. That game is what convinced me that the 360 is a crappy gaming console! Sorry my friend, but once again, LL FTL

At least I am capable enough to pass my opinions as facts instead of a ranting :lol:. I guess every person in marketing, Including SONY are all douches since they all go out there way to state facts over opinions. Way to put what you say into context :thumbsup:. In any intellectual comparison of both of our statements, you would come off as being the douche hand down =).

-LatinLegacy

I spent a good amount of time with KZ2 Multi tonight.
Here's my thoughts:
1. INFINITELY more fun than single player! The patch seemed to fix the sluggish controls and I really enjoyed the continually changing objectives. That was fun.
2. Sony... Why oh why didn't you give us headsets with our systems? It seems like the only people who get headsets for the PS3 are the same racist dirtbags I try to ignore over on XBoxLive!
3. I ranked up to 3 but I haven't gotten any new guns yet. Are some of the later guns fun? I really felt let down by the guns in the single player mode. Give me some hope here!
4. This is not my final opinion yet, as I need to give the online play some more time, but the polish is top notch on the multi and that, combined with the non-sluggish controls post-patch, would raise my score from a 6 to a 7. Why only a 7? Well, in fairness, this is a pretty light shooter (single player didn't last long) and with only 8 maps and limited guns I can't say the online is exactly ROBUST when compared to COD or (God Forbid I Utter The Name) Halo. Before you flame me, remember that I said this is not my final opinion as I have only gotten to rank 3 as of right now. Give me time to warm up to it and you might even see me give it a 7.25!!!

lol, another hate thread.....

*Head-phones on*---> *ipod on* ---> *logs onto KZ2*


Hate it or love it
the underdogs on top
and I'm gonna shine hommie
until my heart stops

go on, envy me...

I spent a good amount of time with KZ2 Multi tonight.
Here's my thoughts:
1. INFINITELY more fun than single player! The patch seemed to fix the sluggish controls and I really enjoyed the continually changing objectives. That was fun.
2. Sony... Why oh why didn't you give us headsets with our systems? It seems like the only people who get headsets for the PS3 are the same racist dirtbags I try to ignore over on XBoxLive!
3. I ranked up to 3 but I haven't gotten any new guns yet. Are some of the later guns fun? I really felt let down by the guns in the single player mode. Give me some hope here!
4. This is not my final opinion yet, as I need to give the online play some more time, but the polish is top notch on the multi and that, combined with the non-sluggish controls post-patch, would raise my score from a 6 to a 7. Why only a 7? Well, in fairness, this is a pretty light shooter (single player didn't last long) and with only 8 maps and limited guns I can't say the online is exactly ROBUST when compared to COD or (God Forbid I Utter The Name) Halo. Before you flame me, remember that I said this is not my final opinion as I have only gotten to rank 3 as of right now. Give me time to warm up to it and you might even see me give it a 7.25!!!


Wow really?? Honestly I have never, besides one case in COD4 a few months ago, have had a yeller, or a racist. I have played around 25 hours of KZ2 online, 50 hours on COD-WAW, and 20 on COD4. KZ2 has by far the most people with mics, and all of them have been pretty decent. I mean there is cussing, but thats expected. One guy called me a b!%ch yesterday, but I shot him with a rocket launcher, so I deserved it.

Well, that makes one of you.


Two actually. One of the two articles I sent to Lono was about me not giving a rat's ass about Killzone 2, and probably not getting it ever.

What talking ship said.. it was long(thats what she said)

You should play on one of our Friday night gamer nights, it's a lot of fun. And mostly everyone uses headsets and seem to act mature with it.
Not only do you get better guns, but you get different abilities later on, which mixes things up.


@LatinLegacy
Sorry, I'll type slower this time and use small words so you can understand. I never said people who use Facts over Opinion are douches. Ok, are you still with me? Alright. What I did say was that you, LL, try to pass off your opinion as facts, as if you are some authority figure in the video gaming industry. Just because you can google same sales figures doesn't make you an expert. And seriously, I thought Ala Douche and I beat some sense into you over the whole sales figures thing. Just because LatinLegacy doesn't think it's selling well doesn't make the game not fun.
Did you get it that time or do you want my 2 year old to color you a picture?

Wow really?? Honestly I have never, besides one case in COD4 a few months ago, have had a yeller, or a racist. I have played around 25 hours of KZ2 online, 50 hours on COD-WAW, and 20 on COD4. KZ2 has by far the most people with mics, and all of them have been pretty decent. I mean there is cussing, but thats expected. One guy called me a b!%ch yesterday, but I shot him with a rocket launcher, so I deserved it.

Lol, which makes the two way communication between you and the person you killed oh so much fun! It's funny when they start ranting and say "You're a cheater!" when really, you just killed them, no cheats!
It seems people on ExBaux live have this disease, where they feel obligated to say something like:
"I <insert verb> my penis on/in/over/to your <insert family member>'s <insert any type of hole on the body>.
Why should I have to pay $50 to hear about other dudes' penises???

But on the flipside, I have had to mute a couple guys in KZ2 that feel that everyone in the room wants to listen to their rap music. Hooligans and their gangster music!

1. Yes!!! I knew sales figures would come into this sooner or later :thumbsup:

2. You try to pass your opinion as facts which makes you sound like a douche. I seriously don't believe a word you just said, simply because I personally think Gears 2 BLOWS! It was the final nail in my 360's coffin. That game is what convinced me that the 360 is a crappy gaming console! Sorry my friend, but once again, LL FTL
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/8430/1238944143605.jpg

Trolling other peoples responses because you were happy you finally caught one of them in a trap to try and "own" them on an Indie game website forum, makes you easily the biggest douche in the universe. Being opportunistic like this and waiting for the right time to spring into trolling - instantly and permanently demerits anything you say.

Do not feed the troll.

Ah it's fun to feed some trolls. They are just so easy to trigger you can't help yourself. You just have to throw down the bait & sit back, they'll bite sooner or later. He doesn't like being made a fool out of so pulls out every high school dropout educated excuse he can think of to make himself believe that he is right. I type most of my post at work & me & the other NSA's just have a field day with him in the AM hours. We are convinced this that this dude is missing quite a few brain cells.

-LatinLegacy

the one thing i hate is that people complain about the control speed. YOU CAN CONTROL THAT AND CHANGE THAT IN OPTIONS!!!!! ANYOE WHO SAYS THAT IS OFFICIAL A DUMBASS I AM SORRY BUT IT IS TRUE

the one thing i hate is that people complain about the control speed. YOU CAN CONTROL THAT AND CHANGE THAT IN OPTIONS!!!!! ANYOE WHO SAYS THAT IS OFFICIAL A DUMBASS I AM SORRY BUT IT IS TRUE

What about the people having the speed at max setting and still complain on how slow it is?

All i'm saying is, killzone 2 is the best online FPS i have played on a console this generation.

What about the people having the speed at max setting and still complain on how slow it is?

Then, theres no pleasing them :grin: ... Just take the game for what it is and enjoy.

@ Talking ship

Did you really have to make a thread for this?... *sigh*

Some people love it, some hate it. If its not your cup of tea I would suggest not playing it. Most arguments against it are pretty subjective and not based on the game being 'broken'. Sure the game was hyped up beyond all belief before its launch, but just because it fails to walk on water doesn't mean its a bad game. I also believe that a thread accusing a game of being overrated when you know it has a strong fan base is asking to draw out the trolls.

You just have to throw down the bait & sit back, they'll bite sooner or later. He doesn't like being made a fool out of so pulls out every high school dropout educated excuse he can think of to make himself believe that he is right. I type most of my post at work & me & the other NSA's just have a field day with him in the AM hours. We are convinced this that this dude is missing quite a few brain cells.

-LatinLegacy

hmm.... flame baiting.... yep, that's infraction worthy (that means its against the rules)!

so, here's the deal. the next person who makes a personal insult, flame, flame-baiting, etc. towards another person gets.......... a temp-ban! YAAAAAAAAY!

that goes for EVERYONE here.

jesus... i've been gone too long. :angry:

Yep, this thread was asking for trouble the second it went up. Its fun to revel in flame wars, but I am constantly shocked at how insane people get over these issues. Here's the fact of the matter: My personal opinion is that KZ2 was overrated. That is my opinion, and I chose to share that opinion with others.
To all of those here who chose to offer their own opinion on the matter, whether to agree or disagree, thanks for the input. But when people start decrying others, calling them names, or suddenly bringing up HOW MUCH MICROSOFT SUCKS AND HALO SUCKS AND EVERYTHING XBOX IS CRAP then everything devolves into name calling. In my initial post I never said a single word about Microsoft or Halo(I think I compared the crappy story to Gears' crappy story), so the fact that this turned into an argument about whether or not KZ2 is better than Halo or about how terrible Microsoft is or that Gears is Crap just goes to show how single-tracked some people's gaming mindset is.
And after spending a good long time with KZ2 multi now, I feel fine saying that this is an above average game. Darn right fun even! But did it deserve the 9 out of 10's, the A+'s, the 5 Star reviews? Not in my opinion.

cliché   [klee-shey, kli-] –noun 1. a trite, stereotyped expression; a sentence or phrase, usually expressing a popular or common thought or idea, that has lost originality, ingenuity, and impact by long overuse
Sums up 4chan pretty much. xD

Wait. I forgot about something with Halo 3. Forge! That was certainly a big innovation!
Not exactly. FarCry beat Halo 3 with it's detailed map editor. Forge it like playing lego on a farm set. I'm not intending to be offensive, I'm merely making a (possibily not very good) point.

To all of those here who chose to offer their own opinion on the matter, whether to agree or disagree, thanks for the input. But when people start decrying others, calling them names, or suddenly bringing up HOW MUCH MICROSOFT SUCKS AND HALO SUCKS AND EVERYTHING XBOX IS CRAP then everything devolves into name calling. In my initial post I never said a single word about Microsoft or Halo(I think I compared the crappy story to Gears' crappy story), so the fact that this turned into an argument about whether or not KZ2 is better than Halo or about how terrible Microsoft is or that Gears is Crap just goes to show how single-tracked some people's gaming mindset is.
If you think this is bad, you should look at the Song Defense Force website, not just for the Sony fanboy posts but also for the xbot comments. N4G is just as bad too.

And after spending a good long time with KZ2 multi now, I feel fine saying that this is an above average game. Darn right fun even! But did it deserve the 9 out of 10's, the A+'s, the 5 Star reviews? Not in my opinion.

And everyone has a right to their opinion. Although I'm am against people creating threads that can deliberatly create flame wars through it's title (caps? c'mon) especially when it comes to sensitive topics such as KZ2, Halo 3 or any other console exclusive game (not Halo Wars though, everyone pretty much agrees that game is only good for the cutsecenes). If you played the hate card carefully it may of not come to this.

That being said, for those who started trolling, insulting, etc, why? :undecided:

hmm.... flame baiting.... yep, that's infraction worthy (that means its against the rules)!

so, here's the deal. the next person who makes a personal insult, flame, flame-baiting, etc. towards another person gets.......... a temp-ban! YAAAAAAAAY!

that goes for EVERYONE here.

jesus... i've been gone too long. :angry:


hm

Are you saying I cant say anything negative about anything in this forum section without a temp ban ?

I spent a good amount of time with KZ2 Multi tonight.
Here's my thoughts:
1. INFINITELY more fun than single player! The patch seemed to fix the sluggish controls and I really enjoyed the continually changing objectives. That was fun.
2. Sony... Why oh why didn't you give us headsets with our systems? It seems like the only people who get headsets for the PS3 are the same racist dirtbags I try to ignore over on XBoxLive!
3. I ranked up to 3 but I haven't gotten any new guns yet. Are some of the later guns fun? I really felt let down by the guns in the single player mode. Give me some hope here!
4. This is not my final opinion yet, as I need to give the online play some more time, but the polish is top notch on the multi and that, combined with the non-sluggish controls post-patch, would raise my score from a 6 to a 7. Why only a 7? Well, in fairness, this is a pretty light shooter (single player didn't last long) and with only 8 maps and limited guns I can't say the online is exactly ROBUST when compared to COD or (God Forbid I Utter The Name) Halo. Before you flame me, remember that I said this is not my final opinion as I have only gotten to rank 3 as of right now. Give me time to warm up to it and you might even see me give it a 7.25!!!

They're going to be adding some DLC soon that would add more maps and vehicles (of course some of the maps will be vehicle specific, as the ones we have now are way to small for jeeps or tanks).

Hopefully it's free, because I can see it really punching up the multiplayer experience.

hm

Are you saying I cant say anything negative about anything in this forum section without a temp ban ?

I think he is saying "Henceforth there shall be intelligent/semi-intelligent conversation in this thread and anyone who flames/flamebaits will be banished from the kingdom for a period of time."

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Trolling other peoples responses because you were happy you finally caught one of them in a trap to try and "own" them on an Indie game website forum, makes you easily the biggest douche in the universe. Being opportunistic like this and waiting for the right time to spring into trolling - instantly and permanently demerits anything you say.


Lol, get your panties out of a twist. There's an ongoing joke between Ala Douche, Latin Legacy, and I where Ala Douche and I make fun of LatinLegacy because he always brings the games financial position into the mix of things. And I was overloaded with joy when LL finally made his appearance and brought along his financial expertise into this thread. He never disappoints!
:sad: I apologize you didn't understand that. I'll make sure to give a full explanation of all inside jokes to you before posting anything related.
It's a sad day when not even sarcastic gamer can handle my sarcasm :lol:

/\ That train sure looks constipated.

dont hate on the train

dont hate on the train

I'm not hating, I just think he might need a laxative of some sort.

Eglin AFB is in florida right?

i'm saying don't be a dipshit and call people names...

I just finished the campaign mode in Killzone 2. I gave this game more than a chance to impress me, and I just don't see what all of the fuss is about! I think the game looks gorgeous, but that's just about where the adoration ends. The controls are sluggish, as if my guy is underwater; the hit detection is great in some areas, and piss poor in others (I found myself killing guys through walls in some areas and then clearly seeing them in others yet hitting some invisible barrier.) The story is awful, easily worse than anything Gears 2 dished out on us, and the guns are all weak and inaccurate (excluding the sniper rifle and the electricity gun). And speaking of guns... Really, you can't let me carry TWO? I'm stuck with a useless SIX SHOOTER?!? as my second weapon? WTF?! Is this the wild west? A six shooter? At least the Helghast got pistols.
Seriously everyone, why are people going ga-ga over this turd? This is the most over-rated game of the year, if not the decade. If you are considering purchasing this game, please take my advice and rent it first. The campaign in very short, so get through that during your rental and then go online to see if that tickles your fancy.
In my book, this game would get a 7 out of 10. Not a bad game, but nothing revolutionary in the slightest.

PS: The mech driving in the second to last chapter was fun!

i liked the six shooter, not our fault you suck with it tbh.

Oh Well if you didn't rate it that highly thats you, and i guess noone can take that opinion away from you

but calling gears 2 story better than this? you obviously didnt get the point of this game really

hmmm this makes me regret buying it TODAY! maybe i should just return it before i open it...

What about the people having the speed at max setting and still complain on how slow it is?

well then they are crazy! or maybe there is something wrong with them. but also this game is uber realistic. you cant look around really easily when you are caring 150lbs. which is about wat soldiers where now. i bet it is even heavier in the future

Eglin AFB is in florida right?

Yeah, its in north west Florida.

Yeah, its in north west Florida.

yeah my wife is going into the chair force and she wants to be put there

i'm saying don't be a dipshit and call people names...

I'm not sure if that was meant for me, but if it was... you should read the posts b4 you comment on them. I was referring to a picture of a train in someone's comment and obviously not intended as any type of inflammatory statement directed at a person. Calling someone a "dipshit" though is very hypocritical in the same sentence your outlawing it in. Very, very douche like.

yeah my wife is going into the chair force and she wants to be put there

My wife is active duty. We love it here, its great to be so close to the beach.

hmmm this makes me regret buying it TODAY! maybe i should just return it before i open it...

Oh yeah, you should totally turn in something and make a quick judgement based on something you haven't experienced. Anyone will say, KZ2 has a competant offline campaign mode, but it (like most FPS's) lives and dies by online and KZ2 has arguably one of the best onlines a game has to offer atm (unless your one of THOSE people that have actually bought into MAG right now).

but calling gears 2 story better than this? you obviously didnt get the point of this game really

Maybe YOU just didn't GET THE POINT of Gears 2!! :lol: You're not really serious here are you? We're not talking about a Lynch Flick here, Poppy, there aren't very many subtle secondary storylines to muddle my understanding of KZ2. While I'm not willing to sit here and defend GOW2's storyline, my point was simply that they were both terrible.

But I agree with everyone in this thread that pointed out that FPS's live and die by their online multi. Many have questioned why I would have jumped on here and flame baited (sorry about that) without even trying the online. Let me explain: I always play through an FPS's single player mode before getting online. I do this so that when I get online I don't play like an 80 year old with palsy. When I played through KZ2 with the muddy controls, I had NO interest at all in continuing those terrible controls into an online environment. I was not aware that a patch had been put out to fix that problem. Why should I have expected that to be the case? This is the first FPS I've ever played where the controls were so horribly constructed in the initial package that a patch was required to make playing it FUN. Alas, I regret not having patched the game before starting this thread. Admittedly, this thread was started IMMEDIATELY after finishing the campaign using those GOD-AWFUL muddy controls as a way to vent my frustration with what I had been told was the greatest game on the PS3. :lipssealed: After patching, and getting online, I have been pleasantly surprised!

PS: Stop defending the 6-shooter. No self respecting game company should ever allow a 21st + century soldier into battle with a slow action 6 shooter. It's just damn goofy. :evil:

I'm not sure if that was meant for me, but if it was... you should read the posts b4 you comment on them. I was referring to a picture of a train in someone's comment and obviously not intended as any type of inflammatory statement directed at a person. Calling someone a "dipshit" though is very hypocritical in the same sentence your outlawing it in. Very, very douche like.

it wasn't for you..... it was for the person responding to me.....

I just really like 6 shooters in general I think they are really neat guns. To have a powerful one that is fun, for me, to use was welcomed, for me. If I had the money for one, then I would own one. They are slow on the reload, I'll give you that. Between reload speed and expense, they wouldn't be standard issue in todays armies. However If a soldier had one and wanted to carry it, I don't think his CO would tell him no.

I spent most of the single player smacking my guys around with the butt of my gun. I didn't care about them. I also didn't feel like I needed to. The game made a standard effort at a story. But it didn't go out of it's way. They didn't really force a bad story down your throat. For a game like this that is what I care about. I don't need a good story. Just give me a reason to shoot the people shooting me. Problems with story and these kind of games comes when they make a terrible story, and make you sit through it. It isn't like it is an RPG.

The game made a standard effort at a story. But it didn't go out of it's way. They didn't really force a bad story down your throat. For a game like this that is what I care about. I don't need a good story. Just give me a reason to shoot the people shooting me. Problems with story and these kind of games comes when they make a terrible story, and make you sit through it. It isn't like it is an RPG.

I know where you're coming from (How many games have I slogged through that used WW2 as the story propelling my bullets into Nazi heads? Answer = too many) but I disagree. I want to see the industry start to embrace more unique, indepth storylines, and flagship games like GoW and KZ are excellent places to allow good story's to be told. I think that Halo came close to telling a good story, but it basically just borrowed elements from Sci-Fi movies from the past twenty years (watch Aliens just before playing Halo and you'll be shocked at the similarities.) I think companies could create intriguing stories without taking away from fun gameplay, and I hope the industry starts to head in that direction. Of course, they're only going to give us what we want, so unless more people start asking for GOOD storylines then we're going to continue to be fed drivel like GoW and KZ. Finally, good storylines can draw you into the gaming world even in a shooter. Case in point = Bioshock!

Yeah, but gameplay for Bioshock is almost an afterthought, it's more of an RPG-like experience, which is neat but it doesn't come close to being as satisfying from a FPS point of view as COD4 or KZ2. Although obviously its storytelling is beyond anything they have to offer by a country mile.

As for all the other complaints, meh. I guess i'm the type of gamer developers are targeting nowadays, the ones who really do not care much for campaigns and are mainly into the online multiplayer. But i guess it's not really that they're targeting those people in particular per se, it's the fact that in a cost-conscious time, people want games with longevity and that constitute value for money. And developers attempt to deliver this through compelling multiplayer mainly, and increasingly through DLC.

I mean, check what the mean campaign length is for a FPS these days, if you're lucky you'll get a whole 10 hours. Other titles like FC2 try to get round that by adding the sandbox component to prolong the experience, but it's clear spending a lot of resources on it is not where developers are putting credence in at this point.

Let me pose the hypothetical, would you rather a FPS have a compelling and by all standards a great single player campaign and an underwhelming multiplayer mode, or vice versa?

I know what my answer would be.

Let me pose the hypothetical, would you rather a FPS have a compelling and by all standards a great single player campaign and an underwhelming multiplayer mode, or vice versa?

I know what my answer would be.

I pretty much agree with all of your points here. If forced to choose, I'd pick online Multiplayer. But I guess my point is, "Why do we have to choose?" Someone out there (probably several people) got paid to write the story for these single player campaigns. They were paid REAL money! Really Real Money!

:lol: The topic alone is a joke. :lol:

i'm saying don't be a dipshit and call people names...

Wut?:lol:

Over rated by whom?

that is your thread title, and consistently the game reviewed at about 8 to 9 out of 10. Your saying based on single player alone that your score is 7 out of 10, mainly bashing the games controls. Now mind you the control patch was as heated as anything because of the fact that the heavy controls were only a nuisance to some. Please note that the controls were patched for the entire game, SP as well.

Some wanted the game to play like Call of duty, others wanted it to play like gears, and others like myself wanted it to play like KILLZONE 2..... I love the game but I would only "Rank" it at about 8 out of 10 just because of the Shortness of the SP and how NOT friendly the MP is to beginner's. (Side note Halo 3 got 10 out of 10..... notice how Friendly the game is too beginner's) And for changing the controls in the first place.

So by saying the game is overrated..... umm no. There is not one review saying its the End all, be all Halo killer. 9 out of 10.... is well.... right on the money. Adversely, isn't it the job of all Fanboys to over rate their games? Is that who this thread is geared toward? the fanboys?

Ya gotta stop sipping the juice of fanboyism.... From both sides. Don't like the game? No problem, but don't start selling the Juice as well.

... Of course, they're only going to give us what we want, so unless more people start asking for GOOD storylines then we're going to continue to be fed drivel like GoW and KZ. ..

Only problem is, if you go back and watch some videos starring CliffyB talking about Gears 2, they actually believe they were putting out a AAA storyline! Now what do we do?? :lol:
Of all the next gen shooters out there, I think the story for CoD4 is by far the best. It's story is something that could easily be made into a movie and not suck! The rest would be, like you said, drivel.

Only problem is, if you go back and watch some videos starring CliffyB talking about Gears 2, they actually believe they were putting out a AAA storyline! Now what do we do?? :lol:
Of all the next gen shooters out there, I think the story for CoD4 is by far the best. It's story is something that could easily be made into a movie and not suck! The rest would be, like you said, drivel.

Good point. I forgot about COD4's storyline. That was a great example of a good storyline and a good FPS.
@ Droozy Fair enough. You're right, I guess I had just heard from so many people that this was the greatest thing since chocolate milk and that it was better than any other FPS on any other system. Perhaps it was just fanboy shlock, but I heard so much of it that I had to listen. However, I do remember some reviews giving it top honors (Gamepro, Playstation Magazine, G4TV, 1UP, etc) and I think those reviews, in time, will have to be reconsidered.

I pretty much agree with all of your points here. If forced to choose, I'd pick online Multiplayer. But I guess my point is, "Why do we have to choose?" Someone out there (probably several people) got paid to write the story for these single player campaigns. They were paid REAL money! Really Real Money!

Why do we have to choose indeed, I think that too much thought is put into multiplayer leaving things like the story in single player to suffer

I guess I had just heard from so many people that this was the greatest thing since chocolate milk....

Chocolate milk > KZ2 :lol:

i guess everything is in the eye of the beholder. I did say you are entitled to you opinion as i am to my own. You may not have liked it, but i enjoyed every second i was playing it, both the single player and multiplayer.

Just because you didn't like it, doesn't mean that every single review should be reconsidered. You don't seem to realise that people do love this game, and they reviewed it because of that.

double post.

I pretty much agree with all of your points here. If forced to choose, I'd pick online Multiplayer. But I guess my point is, "Why do we have to choose?" Someone out there (probably several people) got paid to write the story for these single player campaigns. They were paid REAL money! Really Real Money!

Oh i agree, for a game that was in development for 4 years, the storytelling is just appalling. But in the grander scheme of things, it's not something IMHO which takes precedence over stellar online multiplayer.

But yeah, i think at least half the guys in this thread could come up with a better script for K2 than what there was. I know i could and i'm hardly the next Alexander Dumas.

While I do really like a deep and involving story in games, not everyone wants one in their action games. They just want to blow things up and kill things. That is fine. Games should be made for all audiences. Bioshock wouldn't have been so special if every shooter out there had that level of story and character immersion.

I guess..... but it does feel nice to have a story that by itself is enough to encourage new players to join the franchise; in a way it kind of breaks away from the stereotype that FPS fans are nothing more than testosterone hungry gamers.... oh well...... *jumps onto killzone 2*

I agree with the original Poster. I bought KZ2 and it was amazing for like a week, after i got over the initial jaw dropping amazement of the graphics and started noticing that it was pretty much like every other PS3 shooter ive played, average and underwhelming.

Once i hit the highest rank in about a week and unlocked everything i wanted, the game just drastically lost its appeal and i had no desire to play it again.

....Also the game plays like your'e a midget running thru Jelly with a gun made of solid iron aiming at people who take a full magazine to the chest to kill and for some reason none of your allies care enough to get out of your way on the stairs, even after shooting them in the face.

Basically, played thru Killzone 2 now and I still feel like I haven't gotten used to it or comfortable with, like I have with games like Call of Duty or Halo. Maybe that means I just cant do a non-twitch shooter on a console. Or maybe its just ****ing broken, I dont know.

.....Also the story is boring, the E3 trailer 4 years ago still looks better(Seriously, its 2009: How can halfway decent lip syncing be so hard?), and the online is still limted when compared to other Shooters (Once again, compared to Call of Duty and Halo).

Honestly, I dont get the hype, at all.

I agree with the original Poster. I bought KZ2 and it was amazing for like a week, after i got over the initial jaw dropping amazement of the graphics and started noticing that it was pretty much like every other PS3 shooter ive played, average and underwhelming.What??? They are plenty of good shooters on PS3. Warhawk was great and I'm still not sick of it yet (same for R2 co-op).

Its a fun game to play which is all I need it to be. I am not really that concerned with story as long as I have fun playing the game which I do. I would rather them use more of their budget to get the gameplay right than worry about a great storyline. Some of my favourite action movies barely have a storyline but I enjoy watching them still because you don't have to think during them. You just sit back and enjoy the show and relaxing. If I want to play a story based game I will play an RPG.

I am not a big online player only ever getting into COD4 and NBA2K8 but this game has sucked me in with the way the online plays. Normally I like to finish the SP first but I slipped in a game of MP and haven't turned back.

Blasphemer!