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In this hump filled episode, a Smelly surprise, the NXE update, the deal of the week, advice from Don Marco and yet another song.* So listen up, and get updated.

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Yes! Thanks for another one guys!

Going to listen to it soon! :)

Great how guys! I lol'd at don Marcos advice! Any chance of a shoutout next week?

Ps. Why no humpday update song at the beginning?

Great how guys! I lol'd at don Marcos advice! Any chance of a shoutout next week?

Ps. Why no humpday update song at the beginning?



miscommunication between us and Dave....next week we're going to loop the song for 15 minutes. Our way of apologizing :lol:

Smelly Pirate!! Oh wow, congrats to you and the woman!

oh yeah...and your show rocked as always. I made my husband wait for me on our "Date night" so that I could listen. Much love, especially for Don Marco...VERY funny!!!!!

...... I didnt get a shout out..... well now I gave you an review..... I expect my shout out next week!!!! :lol:

Just listened while exercising.

Another phenomenal episode! Congratulations to you Smelly and your wife! The Fat Princess song was very good and funny. Also, Advice from Don Marco was great, I will try and remember to send something in.

:thumbsup:

Advice from Don Marco was not funny, but any show that mentions me is alright. Please note that I am only stating my opinion. The recording of the song was no good, but the song itself wasn't terrible. Congrats on expecting.

Ahhhh cozy....our most loyal listener. Opinions are more than welcome!

Send us better recording equipment and we'll be happy to make better quality "not terrible" music for ya!

Cheers :D

Advice from Don Marco was not funny, but any show that mentions me is alright. Please note that I am only stating my opinion. The recording of the song was no good, but the song itself wasn't terrible. Congrats on expecting.

It's funny how bad you hate our show, yet you are so dedicated to it! Honestly though, we're listening to you. Trying to mix it up, make things a little different. Some day, we'll make an episode that you'll love.... some day...

Some day, we'll make an episode that you'll love.... some day...
Or maybe you already have.
Maybe he likes every episode. Maybe he wants attention, or wants to be different.

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definitely congratz on the kid!

Also, seems the gamernight olympics PS3 weekends are going to be all weekends where I am away from home, like last weekend, and the same with the next one, oh well, you guys dont get to play with moi! But I'll be on maybe on any other night :P

And seriously, Trophies have failed? Where the **** did you come up with that?

And seriously, Trophies have failed? Where the **** did you come up with that?

Seriously! How have they failed? Their purpose is to award you in varying degrees for accomplish tasks within a game. They're a visual representation of your gaming accomplishments. In what area of that description have they failed?

They're lucky I wasn't paying attention when they said that. Wait... I didn't say it, did I?

Or maybe you already have.
Maybe he likes every episode. Maybe he wants attention, or wants to be different.
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I haven't loved an episode, but I haven't stopped listening. I wouldn't say I'm hating hard on the show, I am only giving my honest opinion. Don't think I hate everything about the show, there are reasons that I keep listening.

Trophies have overall failed because they were implemented too late and weren't made requisite for developers.

Also, its a TON easier to compare your achievements on the 360 and much too hard (i.e. Long load times) on the ps3.

Trophies have overall failed because they were implemented too late and weren't made requisite for developers.

Also, its a TON easier to compare your achievements on the 360 and much too hard (i.e. Long load times) on the ps3.
Truth

Trophies have overall failed because they were implemented too late and weren't made requisite for developers.

Also, its a TON easier to compare your achievements on the 360 and much too hard (i.e. Long load times) on the ps3.

Ok, so sure it's smoother to load the achievements on the 360, but I still don't get how that makes the Trophies a failure?? Is this another one of those "only one can emerge victorious" situations that gamers tend to make up? Come on DD, give us a stronger argument than that. Like I said, they do exactly what they were designed to do, albeit not as good as the 360, but they still fulfill their purpose: to award gamers for reaching benchmark achievements in a particular game, then allowing gamers to compare trophies. By that definition, trophies = success.

Here's an example of what a FAILURE would be. Sony gives complete control of trophies over to developers, the developer of Super Stardust HD decides to have 30 platinum trophies, all obtainable within 1 hour of gameplay. The ease of attainability in contrast to say Uncharted which requires several complete play throughs and EFFORT on the players end to achieve that ONE single platinum trophy that the game has to offer is farked. SSHD's 30 platinum trophies would demolish the value of the hard earned 1 platinum trophy of Uncharted.

THAT would be failure. What you are describing is not failure, it's your dislike for the way they handled it. Your disdain for whatever reasons though is not enough to label the entire project a failure and pass that off as a socially accepted fact.

So suck on that jerkface!

Edit: This just in - http://blog.us.playstation.com/2009/08/12/enhanced-playstation-network-trophies-online/

Great show, guys. Definitely missed the theme song. Thanks for the kind words. It would be cool to hear a few months down the road just how far the "Play it Forward" made it.

Trophies have overall failed because they were implemented too late and weren't made requisite for developers.

Also, its a TON easier to compare your achievements on the 360 and much too hard (i.e. Long load times) on the ps3.

But does that matter to people who only have a PS3 and now get trophies for all games that come out from around september last year? No it doesn't, they dont give a shit now that it came out late, as it is now there.

I think the fact that they added the Platinum trophy as well has made it in some respects BETTER than achievements, because it's something to strive for!

I personally, absolutely love trophies, and i quite like achievements, sure they should have come earlier, but i dont care, i now prefer the trophy system to the achievement system.

If it had actually failed, they would have stopped using them, but just ask Jacob816 if it has failed, ask anybody who cares and we all love Trophies, LOVE EM :D

Another funny episode and I liked the end song but no intro song makes MM sad :sad: and then angry :angry: and then indifferent :undecided:

Why no humps, why? (Please note that I don't care that you have already given a logical and fair answer to this question - I wants my humps! :tongue: Next time if you are going to come without them, just don't bother! :tongue: :wink2:

Is this another one of those "only one can emerge victorious" situations that gamers tend to make up?

Yes. While, I can't totally agree that trophies have been a failure - like it or not, being second in a two horse race means you were last - although Sony's PR department will tell you otherwise :grin:

I was quite offended that you missed out the part where master johnboy gloriously captured the flag in warhawk and saved his team from sure annihilation and the bit where all the girls presented them selves to me as a result! But you probably didn't see that bit so take my word for it.


I expect this to be amended by next episode.

Regardless to the previous super flaw it was a good episode the song made me lol you guys should put all your songs on some site so we can all download them.

Is this another one of those "only one can emerge victorious" situations that gamers tend to make up?
Sort of, I have heard people say that they will pick up the Xbox version of a game because they want the achievements, but I have never heard someone say they want the PS3 version of a game for the trophies. How many arcade games reviews include something about how the game is an easy 200pts? How many people actually know how many trophies they have? I can't even tell you how trophies are quantified. I don't really care for achievements either, but I know I have a score somewhere between 6500 and 7000.

The goal of trophies is not what you say it is. Trophy support cost Sony money. They didn't implement them for you, they did it for money. They want some of the mind share that Microsoft created with the achievement system. In my opinion, they haven't done that.

Achievements aren't system sellers, but it is pretty hard to say that they don't sell software.

completely agree with Cozy. I'm not a 4 paragraph arguer like you Mantooth (it only takes me a few sentences to prove MY point!).

Mighty Mutt said it best. They were second in a two horse race. Or...they were my second choice to go to prom with. Well guess what? I'm only taking one girl to the prom, and you better believe I'll be unlocking achievements after the dance!

completely agree with Cozy. I'm not a 4 paragraph arguer like you Mantooth (it only takes me a few sentences to prove MY point!).

Mighty Mutt said it best. They were second in a two horse race. Or...they were my second choice to go to prom with. Well guess what? I'm only taking one girl to the prom, and you better believe I'll be unlocking achievements after the dance!

Wait, we're telling people you took a girl to the prom? OK.
My issue with trophies is the leveling system. Because the levels are exponentially harder to achieve, it's difficult to immediately quantify how much a player has actually done. You could count the trophies themselves, but then you don't know which are platinum, gold, silver, and so on. Sure they have that tiered trophy page to explain all this, but then it has taken them two pages to accomplish what Microsoft has done with just one number. Microsoft did it earlier, more efficiently, and better than sony, for once. No, trophies haven't failed as a whole, but if it comes down to trophies vs. achievements for which system to buy a game for, they have failed.

Great show fellas! I really enjoyed the Fat Princess song, it got me-a-chucklin'. Also, no humpday theme song in the beginning...what gives??

completely agree with Cozy. I'm not a 4 paragraph arguer like you Mantooth (it only takes me a few sentences to prove MY point!).

Mighty Mutt said it best. They were second in a two horse race. Or...they were my second choice to go to prom with. Well guess what? I'm only taking one girl to the prom, and you better believe I'll be unlocking achievements after the dance!

yeah but what you and cozy dont seem to be thinking about, is that just because YOU hate or think trophies suck because you love achievements, doesn't mean everyone else does!!!!!!!


And cozy, everyone knows EXACTLY how many trophies they have, just look at your profile and it tells you exactly how many bronze, silver, gold and platinum trophies you have.

Each trophy adds experience to your experience bar, depending on whether its bronze, silver, gold or platinum.


I think you both are just being bloody minded and ignorant. I have a PS3 and a 360, but i think trophies are vastly superior to achievements. But thats me personally. I don't want to be told by other people that they suck, when obviously they bloody well don't.

So for everyone elses enjoyment, dont make stupid blanket statements which are obviously untrue to other people. Because to be frank, you just aren't that important that everyone in the world, and the majority don't give a shit what you think.

Sorry that sounds really over the tope and angry, but seriously, the blanket statements and stupidness has to stop.


Grrrrrrrr

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Is this guy serious?

I do prefer achievements to trophies but am not really all the fussed they both serve the same basic purpose.

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Is this guy serious?

am I serious about being pissed that people make stupid statements? Yes

Since this is a Sarcastic podcast, I'm going to say I'm SO happy for you and your wife SmellyPirate.

How can you say we shouldn't have to pay for Xbox live? PSN is free and everyone knows it sucks. You get what you pay for.

Also, never do English accents again.

LOL, Smelly Pirate as an anti-authoritarian!

I'm just going to keep posting things as I listen to this podcast.

Since this is a Sarcastic podcast, I'm going to say I'm SO happy for you and your wife SmellyPirate.

How can you say we shouldn't have to pay for Xbox live? PSN is free and everyone knows it sucks. You get what you pay for.

So you have a PS3 and can comment on whether it sucks right?

Im jus' sayin' because im pretty sure alot of people really enjoy the service it provides. The only thing the 360 has over it at this moment is parties. And you know what, i dont give a shit about that, PS3's are better, the PSN is better because i get the same service, for free, so like, yeah, **** you.

Also **** ME, how many posts do you want to do at once, there is an edit button. God damn. Dont you dare post things as you listen, this isn't a chat room.

Wow, Poppy - you have some anger.
We were talking about Trophies vs. achievements, and somehow it devolved into "PS3s are better" and "**** you." Seems it may have gotten out of hand. For the record, I have a PS3 and a 360, and I have been playing the PS3 more lately (thanks Fatty P), but I personally think that XBL has a lot more going for it, and it should, since I pay for it. PSN does not have everything XBL does, and cross game invites, cross-game chats, in-game playlists/soundtracks (whatever it's called where I can listen to my own music instead of the game track) are important to me, and are not done well (or at all) on the PSN. I know there is more, but I can't be bothered to think of it now. Also, in spite of the unwritten rules of fanboyism, I feel compelled to say: Poppy, this was not a personal attack directed at you, just my opinion on the state of two consoles, both of which I love. Thank you for your passion. Flame on, if you feel so inclined.

Someone really needs to update the Zune podcast covers, were still geting those ugly 1st gen Sarcastic "Smiley's"

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EDIT: Im not a mod, but: EgoStrength, try to refrain from Consecutive Posting, If you forgot to add a detail, and nobody has yet to respond after you post, Just edit your Original Post. And welcome to the SG forums!

Pop - you have an opinion and so do I. I never said that my opinion is how everyone must feel. I never claimed to be important or that anyone cares what I have to say.

So calm down, take your prozac, and change your tampon. Holy crap

Wow. Be careful of those fanboy extremists. :lol: TBH I dont like the whole idea of achievements and trophies or stuff like that. Because you get people buying games just to get achievments or trophies and you get people doing stupid crap just to get achievements or trophies.

Pop - you have an opinion and so do I. I never said that my opinion is how everyone must feel. I never claimed to be important or that anyone cares what I have to say.

So calm down, take your prozac, and change your tampon. Holy crap

How dare you tell him to take prozac? Lexipro is 10x better. You think you are so cool, telling people to take prozac when Lexipro is obviously the superior anti-depressant. Who died and made you Einstein? **** you for having your opinion and asserting it.:thumbsup:

Wow. Be careful of those fanboy extremists. :lol: TBH I dont like the whole idea of achievements and trophies or stuff like that. Because you get people buying games just to get achievments or trophies and you get people doing stupid crap just to get achievements or trophies.

but you get both trophies and achievements on wii. you get the Flails and the waggles :lol: only kidding


anyway great episode. i prefer achievements more.

but you get both trophies and achievements on wii. you get the Flails and the waggles :lol: only kidding


anyway great episode. i prefer achievements more.

you get the rrod and the e74

Wow, Poppy - you have some anger.
We were talking about Trophies vs. achievements, and somehow it devolved into "PS3s are better" and "**** you." Seems it may have gotten out of hand. For the record, I have a PS3 and a 360, and I have been playing the PS3 more lately (thanks Fatty P), but I personally think that XBL has a lot more going for it, and it should, since I pay for it. PSN does not have everything XBL does, and cross game invites, cross-game chats, in-game playlists/soundtracks (whatever it's called where I can listen to my own music instead of the game track) are important to me, and are not done well (or at all) on the PSN. I know there is more, but I can't be bothered to think of it now. Also, in spite of the unwritten rules of fanboyism, I feel compelled to say: Poppy, this was not a personal attack directed at you, just my opinion on the state of two consoles, both of which I love. Thank you for your passion. Flame on, if you feel so inclined.

No no no dont get me wrong, I am totally fine with people having opinions, but that's what they are, opinions, not fact and it annoys me to no end when people state things about either consoles that are just untrue in some cases.

I feel personally that i get all i need to from the PSN, as i am primarily a single player game fan, and don't often play online, so my PS3 gets played alot more, where as my 360 kind of goes unused, especailly as half of the achievements are always online ones, and if i want to get them, i have to pay for the privilage. On the PS3, if there are loads of online achievements, I can get them, without adding onto my existing purchase of the game.

People can have opinions and i respect that, as that is what they prefer and everyone is different. But someone speaking on a podcast, and saying things which are for me, untrue, but saying it like everyone agrees is just wrong. Please, if someone is going to make a statement that seems to be bias towards one console or another, just say at the end that it's an opinion, because whoever it was who made the statement, did not say that, it was stated as FACT, and thats what i object to.

I own both consoles too, i just prefer my PS3, thats just me :P

People can have opinions and i respect that, as that is what they prefer and everyone is different. But someone speaking on a podcast, and saying things which are for me, untrue, but saying it like everyone agrees is just wrong. Please, if someone is going to make a statement that seems to be bias towards one console or another, just say at the end that it's an opinion, because whoever it was who made the statement, did not say that, it was stated as FACT, and thats what i object to.

Sorry...next show I'll be sure to say,

"Welcome to the Humpday Update, but that's just my opinion...you aren't in fact welcome, unless you'd like to be...gee shucks, I hope no one is offended that I FORCED them to be welcome. Anyway, Our first topic is first person shooters. But wait....it's just my OPINION that they are FPS's, some people might want to call them shooters, so I'm so very sorry that I didn't state at first that calling them FPS's is just my opinion and not fact".

Give me a freaking break PopTrogdor. The entire show = opinion. I'm pretty sure that's part of the definition of a podcast. Maybe next episode we'll only share facts....

"Madden 10 released this week."

"you're right DogsDie, it did."

End of discussion. Geez...Of course it's my opinion that trophies have been a failure! I never presumed to think what I said was fact. I'm not God.

Again, calm down...i'll do the same

I suggest the Humpday Update song lyrics be changed to....

Humpday humpday update (opinion, opinion)
Humpday humpday update (opinion, opinion)

And that "de Humps" be clearly stated as only speculation of the potential for humps.

"Madden 10 released this week."

"you're right DogsDie, it did."

End of discussion.
That sounds like my kind of show.

I am happy you guys went back to your show, wasn't as good as the first and second ones, but still a very funny solid one...(just my opinion) oh and guys with the all Ps3, Xbox, Wii, Psp, DS, Intellivision, Atari, Jaguar,3DO, Star Trek, Star Wars, Soccer, Football, Ginger, Mary Ann, boxer, briefs, etc, who will ever win....

That sounds like my kind of show.

You son of a.....


Alright here we go troops, lets take this arguement to the next level :evil:

I think Smelly back there somewhere, possibly DD as well, labeled my partner in crime Trogdor as a fanboy spewing out his flames. It wasn't said, but it was definitly presumed that when you called him Fanboy, you were saying "alright, this discussion is over. You're not talking with reason, you're talking with fanboyism".

Well.. let's look at this from the other side of the table.

What if YOU guys are the crying fanboys? (an xbot360 fanboy say something irrational??? NEVER! it's the SONY Fanboys that need to stfu!). How about this. XBOX LIVE AND IT'S ACHIEVEMENTS ARE A FAILURE! FAILURE! FAILURE!
Why did I downgrade to a silver account because I felt it wasn't worth the money(disregarding the fact I was paying $7 a month :tongue: I found 12 month gold subscription cards for $30 about a month ago and I STILL couldn't get myself to pay for it)? Because I think it's a failure. Arcade games obviously skew the gamerscore. Smelly said something about the ONE number being an easy and coherent way of measuring ones gamer skill? BS. Achievements are a FAILURE because of this. Give me $60 worth of arcade games and I'll have an additional 15,000 gamer points by the end of the week. Oh and I'm sorry DoubleD, I didn't know a gamer ranking system had to be successful in gathering a cult of players known as "achievement whores" to actually be considered successful. FAIL. (Ok, well, I don't know if you were the one who actually said that DD, but that's in reference to whoever said achievments are successful because people buy the games just to get them. Which btw, no one has EVER purchased a ps3 game just for the trophies and that's a scientific fact!)

Come on guys, quit being idiots. No matter how long your bulleted list is of why XBOX LIVE and achievments are better than PSN and trophies... I'll come up with an equally long list of why you're wrong. And stupid. And ugly.

Oh, and Smelly, just because YOU can't tell us your gamer level but you can tell us your gamerscore doesn't mean EVERYONE is that stupid. :tongue: That just goes to show you're probably in the range of 70% xbox 360 fanboy / 30% PS3 fanboy.

:w00t: There, I said it :wink2:

^^So you are saying that because xbox have some guys buying/renting Hanna Montana for the achievements and making money is a fail? weird...

Mantooth - Drawing smilies on your knife doesn't make it any less painful when you shove it into my back. :shocked::w00t::roll::tongue::undecided::thumbsup: :angry::lol::wink2::cool2::evil::huh::sad::lipssea led:

I don't believe I ever said anything about trophies or achievements being a measure of one's skill, they convey quantity over quality of gameplay, more than anything. I was speaking from a marketing standpoint, which, let's be honest, is the ONLY reason MS or Sony created them. It's like a rewards card to Best Buy, but without the rewards: people come back to the console (store) because they want to accumulate a higher score (purchase balance) to trade in for free goods (online street-cred, or l33t-cred). Personally, I can't remember a time that I bragged about my gamerscore, or cared what it looked like compared to anyone else's. I can admit, however, that because of its omnipresence on XBL, and its simple presentation, it is more readily digestible to the masses. I'm sure after you finish repenting for insulting me unjustly you will see that it's not that I am too stupid to understand the intricacies of my trophy ranking, it's that I just don't care enough. But with achievements, I don't have to care, because it is spelled out for me. I think it is brilliant marketing by Microsoft: make something as simple as possible, so that generation ADHD can quickly digest it and continue giving you their money. And honestly, do you think that Sony wouldn't have done it that way had they come up with the idea before MS? Trophies were clearly an afterthought; something Sony had to come up with once they saw how compelling achievements were to gamers. But since they couldn't blatantly copy MS, they tweaked it up a little bit, made it a bit too complicated, and it's influence isn't quite as pervasive.
And, to clarify, my fanboy slur toward Poppy was not to end the discussion, it was perhaps a call for him to de-emotionalize the issue a bit for him. I could see that little vein above his eye begin to pop out, and he was starting to take it a little personal (as evidenced by the lack of smilies in his flaming reply). He got a little defensive. As I said before, I have both consoles, and have been playing my PS3 a lot more lately. This is a debate about TROPHIES and ACHIEVEMENTS, not the consoles themselves. Don't, as they say, throw the baby out with the bathwater. Also, I think had Poppy been an Xbot flamethrower, my reaction would have been the same.
And to you, Poppy, I'm pretty sure that we weren't spreading untruths about the PS3, just expressing opinions. In the immortal words of Ron Burgundy, "Agree to disagree."





But...that is not an invitation to stop the discussion...please, continue!
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What smelly said...couldn't have said it better

It's funny how bad you hate our show, yet you are so dedicated to it! Honestly though, we're listening to you. Trying to mix it up, make things a little different. Some day, we'll make an episode that you'll love.... some day...

If the people that hated your show stopped listening then who would???

hahahahaha

^^ Hey Smelly I said the same in less words, where is my cookie.

I finally subscribed to the forums! Holy shit, I should have done this sooner! I'm dumb!

Yet another entertaining show guys. I'm lovin' it...the HDUD, not McDonald's.

Welcome to the forums otismcd! Glad you like the show! :D

Another funny episode and I liked the end song but no intro song makes MM sad :sad: and then angry :angry: and then indifferent :undecided:

Why no humps, why? (Please note that I don't care that you have already given a logical and fair answer to this question - I wants my humps! :tongue: Next time if you are going to come without them, just don't bother! :tongue: :wink2:


wow, isnt it preatty dificult to come without humping :roll::tongue: *drum solo*

Stupendous! It is ever so nice to listen to the correct hosts on their correct podcasts! The song was outstanding, as well! I cannot be happier with this episode..hurrah!

Hey, nice episode guys. I LOVED this weeks song, and advice from don Marco is awesome.

wow, isnt it preatty dificult to come without humping :roll::tongue: *drum solo*

lmfao!!!

If the people that hated your show stopped listening then who would???

hahahahaha

Then we'd be on par with the pink show!

Mantooth - Drawing smilies on your knife doesn't make it any less painful when you shove it into my back. :shocked::w00t::roll::tongue::undecided::thumbsup: :angry::lol::wink2::cool2::evil::huh::sad::lipssea led:

I don't believe I ever said anything about trophies or achievements being a measure of one's skill, they convey quantity over quality of gameplay, more than anything. I was speaking from a marketing standpoint, which, let's be honest, is the ONLY reason MS or Sony created them. It's like a rewards card to Best Buy, but without the rewards: people come back to the console (store) because they want to accumulate a higher score (purchase balance) to trade in for free goods (online street-cred, or l33t-cred). Personally, I can't remember a time that I bragged about my gamerscore, or cared what it looked like compared to anyone else's. I can admit, however, that because of its omnipresence on XBL, and its simple presentation, it is more readily digestible to the masses. I'm sure after you finish repenting for insulting me unjustly you will see that it's not that I am too stupid to understand the intricacies of my trophy ranking, it's that I just don't care enough. But with achievements, I don't have to care, because it is spelled out for me. I think it is brilliant marketing by Microsoft: make something as simple as possible, so that generation ADHD can quickly digest it and continue giving you their money. And honestly, do you think that Sony wouldn't have done it that way had they come up with the idea before MS? Trophies were clearly an afterthought; something Sony had to come up with once they saw how compelling achievements were to gamers. But since they couldn't blatantly copy MS, they tweaked it up a little bit, made it a bit too complicated, and it's influence isn't quite as pervasive.
And, to clarify, my fanboy slur toward Poppy was not to end the discussion, it was perhaps a call for him to de-emotionalize the issue a bit for him. I could see that little vein above his eye begin to pop out, and he was starting to take it a little personal (as evidenced by the lack of smilies in his flaming reply). He got a little defensive. As I said before, I have both consoles, and have been playing my PS3 a lot more lately. This is a debate about TROPHIES and ACHIEVEMENTS, not the consoles themselves. Don't, as they say, throw the baby out with the bathwater. Also, I think had Poppy been an Xbot flamethrower, my reaction would have been the same.
And to you, Poppy, I'm pretty sure that we weren't spreading untruths about the PS3, just expressing opinions. In the immortal words of Ron Burgundy, "Agree to disagree."

So you agree they're a failure? :lol:

So you agree they're a failure? :lol:[/QUOTE]

No...I don't presume to speak for everyone about caring about their Gamerscore or trophy count. On the contrary, as someone said earlier, I have heard lots of gamers say they wanted to get a multi-platform game for the Achievements, never heard the same said for Trophies. Ergo, from a marketing standpoint, which is what I was addressing, Achievements win, because they pull people over to MS when there is a choice.

A lot of the times when anyone said, "smelly or DD said this" it was actually me that said it.

A lot of the times when anyone said, "smelly or DD said this" it was actually me that said it.

Props to Cozy for speaking truth.
Also, I would like to add, failure is a pretty strong word. Trophies haven't failed, I just don't think they have accomplished their objective as well as Achievements have, for all the reasons I have so longwindedly mentioned above.

CozyMachine> Entire Humpday Crew

So you have a PS3 and can comment on whether it sucks right?

Im jus' sayin' because im pretty sure alot of people really enjoy the service it provides. The only thing the 360 has over it at this moment is parties. And you know what, i dont give a shit about that, PS3's are better, the PSN is better because i get the same service, for free, so like, yeah, **** you.

Also **** ME, how many posts do you want to do at once, there is an edit button. God damn. Dont you dare post things as you listen, this isn't a chat room.

1) You seem a little too emotional invested in the debate over PSN/XBOX Live. You may want to calm down a little bit, because you're just coming off as defensive.

2) I've spent quite a bit of time on both services, and while this is a manifest truth anyhow, I've come to the same conclusion as nearly everyone else - XBOX live offers more in the way of content, multiplayer matchmaking, and it's faster in general.

3) Finally, unless you're some sort of administrator, why are you telling me how I can or cannot post? Are you a 'net cop? Do you lack control in the real world and seek to find it online? That's too bad.

How dare you tell him to take prozac? Lexipro is 10x better.

The man speaks the truth.

Someone really needs to update the Zune podcast covers, were still geting those ugly 1st gen Sarcastic "Smiley's"

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/04/SarcasticGamer.png/200px-SarcasticGamer.png

EDIT: Im not a mod, but: EgoStrength, try to refrain from Consecutive Posting, If you forgot to add a detail, and nobody has yet to respond after you post, Just edit your Original Post. And welcome to the SG forums!

How many mini-mods are there on this forum?

I mean, consecutive posts can be a problem on a massively populated and frequently used forum, but here? Not so much.

You are kind of annoying

On the subject of Trophies and Achievements:
Is this really a motivating factor to buy either system? That seems weird to me. I like both, but what I really like is good games.

You are kind of annoying

Thanks man. That's quite the welcome to a new board.

Smelly Pirate is a long time friend, and he told me people were very friendly on this board. That has not been my experience thus far.

I am just as new as you, but I know how to edit my posts when I think of something new to add.

I am just as new as you, but I know how to edit my posts when I think of something new to add.

That's cool - I am happy you have developed that skill. I also know how to add things to previously posted messages. I didn't feel like it - since I was addressing different things and I didn't know how fastidious the users on this board were. What I don't understand is why people here are so concerned with multiple posts, as if it is some how going to affect the space/time continuum and kill us all.

@egostrength

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Anyone else want to talk about video games/the podcast rather than the manner in which I post? Or is this the top concern here?

EDIT: Cute video. I've spent tons of times on forums.

EDIT 2: I guess the question I want to ask everyone who has been censuring me since I started posting is this: Why so serious?

http://artwork.datpiff.com/m7c8d8dc/DJ_STARFACE_Why_So_Serious-front-large.jpg

I just said it was annoying, I won't apologize for that. I think you are getting a little defensive about it. Other than that, I won't say anything else about it.

I just said it was annoying, I won't apologize for that. I think you are getting a little defensive about it. Other than that, I won't say anything else about it.

That's good because I'm not particularly interested in an apology. If I came off as defensive, well, that's usually what happens when a person is being attacked by multiple posters. In the future, I will try to adhere to the unwritten rules of forum usage.

:thumbsup:

Edit: So anyway, I really liked this week's podcast. I can sit and listen to them while working at school. It's pretty nice. A funny thing that I've known about Smelly and Dogsdie for years is that they sound a lot alike, being brothers and all, but it really comes across in the podcast!

Edit 2: Smelly, have I pretty much destroyed my chances for a guest spot on the podcast based on these first few posts? LOL!

Edit 3: I guess I'm used to forums where people are posting so frequently that multiple posts aren't usually a problem. I guess I need to adapt.

Edit 4: Where can I find the "thread of the week" that you guys mentioned in the podcast?

Hey smelly, congrats on your expecting, wow that gives a whole new meaning to the humps ha ha ha I joined in with you on fat princess the other night.. my headset was charging so I couldn't say hi. Wow, we got our asses handed to us. Lost every match.

Great episode gents! I really loved the Fat Bottom Girls rendition! Keep up with the funny. Ummmm...by the way, I may like trophies :lol:

Ummmm...by the way, I may like trophies :lol:
It was never about if gamers like trophies, it was whether or not trophies are successful. Gamers liked the Dreamcast, but it was not successful.

It was never about if gamers like trophies, it was whether or not trophies are successful. Gamers liked the Dreamcast, but it was not successful.

I'm pretty sure he was referencing his avatar...not derailing the thread. Geez. People have a lot of feelings.
Dreamcast was awesome, but only because it allowed me to play pirated NES ROMs on a melon-sized controller.

@smelly pirate I am glad you atleast noticed that I wasn't derailing the thread. Also, thank you for noticing my lame attempt at humor. Once again, keep the funny coming in the HDUD!
EDIT: Smelly, congrats to you and your wife expecting!

@Shaha, I keep this window open during most of my workday and try to do anything I do on this site as fast as possible. After looking back at what you posted, I don't see how I missed it.

@Shaha, I keep this window open during most of my workday and try to do anything I do on this site as fast as possible. After looking back at what you posted, I don't see how I missed it.


You may be human?

Personally, I don't think either trophies or achievements play a huge role in console sales. Achievements, for the most part, are a psychological trick to get you to play a certain game more often. Games have always had "achievements" of sorts, but these are just more explicit.

You may be human?

Personally, I don't think either trophies or achievements play a huge role in console sales. Achievements, for the most part, are a psychological trick to get you to play a certain game more often. Games have always had "achievements" of sorts, but these are just more explicit.

Sure they have, but I think maybe you are underestimating the effect the psychological trick has on gamers. There is a very Pavlovian rush that accompanies the earning of an achievement or trophy that becomes very rewarding after a while. And, at the risk of coming off as more of a 360 fanboy, I feel like the ubiquitous achievement "patink" is more recognizable (and therefore, more rewarding) than the trophy "brrrrring" that Sony came up with. In fact, I had to youtube the trophy noise just to be sure that there was one. I guess that's probably more a testament to my only having a PS3 for 3 months, and my 360 for 3 years...and the fact that I am secretly having sex with Microsoft behind my wife's back.

Props to Cozy for speaking truth.
Also, I would like to add, failure is a pretty strong word. Trophies haven't failed, I just don't think they have accomplished their objective as well as Achievements have, for all the reasons I have so longwindedly mentioned above.

THAAAAAANK YOU!!!!!!! This is what I've been hoping a rational xbox fanboy fan of the xbox would say! I don't think ANYONE argued the fact trophies haven't accomplised their objective as well as achievements(not the MARKETING objective, but the objective for the gamer) except for maybe Trogdor and my sarcastic remarks I made. I'll openly admit that achievements in this respect are more successful than trophies, no doubt about it. But like you just said and what I've been trying to argue this entire time is that "fail" is a really strong and rather inappropriate (as in "wrong choice", not "naughty") word for what we're trying to convey. I was proud when I got my first platinum trophy(Uncharted). WAY more proud than the first time I got all achievements for 1 game on LIVE.

Smelly, you have no idea how relieved I feel now that someone finally understands what I've been trying to say.

But to beat a dead horse a little bit more, why should gamers care about Microsofts and Sonys financial objective for trophies/achievements? I'm a consumer, I'm more interested in what it does for ME, not for what Sony and Microsoft get out of it. I don't care if they made them just to try and get people to buy more games so they could prostitute their gamerscore. Labeling trophies as a failure because they didn't meet the same financial objective that achievements did for Microsoft doesn't mean **** to me! All I care about is the "Plunk" and the "Pling" on the 360 and ps3 respectively and I get my jolies off of both (eww). I look at Shaha's gamercard there and I say "DAAAAANG! That dude's got mad skill!" That's a lot of frikkin platinum trophies and that is HARD WORK! Props to him! <-- see what I did there? Trophies = success, not failure.

I'm really sweaty right now :sad:

What Mr. Mantooth, sorry SaintMantooth (you have to respect the 4 years of saint college) said is very true, and actually for the people that prefer Sony Trophies are as or more important than achievements, I still play for the love of the games, so I have a backlog of hundreds of games that I want to play for PS2, PS1 and Super Nintendo, those are kind my priority, right; still when I go look for a PS3 game I always check the internet to see if the game have trophies, to me the amount of bronze, silver, gold and platinun tell me a lot about the player not just a number and I always check in which game he got what...so actually the fact that Sony copy Microsoft's intelligent descision was actually a good idea, in the other hand if you are more of a 360 fan of course you are going to consider gamer scorer the more appealing.

I don't care about either system, but it is faster to compare scores on xbox and I find myself doing it while I wait for matchmaking to find me a game. I tried to do it on PS3 a lot of times but usually find myself backing out (most likely because I have no friends on my PS3 friends list).

Sorry for being stupid and sorry if this has already been asked in this thread but where do I send my Don Marco advice question?

I thought I already sent it but today I got a "Failed to deliver" message back, which means the e-mail I tried to send it to doesn´t exist.

Donmarco@sarcasticgamer.com

Thanks for the shoutout guys, your right, I hate Ron Burgundy and his stupid moustache.

Donmarco@sarcasticgamer.com

That´s where I frickin´ sent it... does the capital D in front of "don" matter maybe?

hmmm strange. send to doubled@sarcasticgamer.com

hmmm strange. send to doubled@sarcasticgamer.com

Did you get it?

There is a very Pavlovian rush that accompanies the earning of an achievement or trophy that becomes very rewarding after a while.

Absolutely! Strangly, even though I can identify the trick, I can't avoid it. It's difficult for me to spend a lot of time playing the Wii partially for this reason. I'm always thinking to myself "This isn't going to earn me any achievements!" Then I feel lame. But I still start playing a 360 game! BTW, I just finished Shivering Isles (Finally) and it was a very cool expansion. I recommend it.

when does this weeks HDUD get put up?

Fat Princess Song = WIN

Its up now smitty :).

Thanks for the love quinstar!

wow, isnt it preatty dificult to come without humping :roll::tongue: *drum solo*

Only 2 spelling errors... blimey, you're getting better :thumbsup:

And listening to it again for the Fat Princess song, it's that good :thumbsup::cool2:

Fat Princess Song = WIN

Agreed!
:thumbsup:

Everyone has to admit that the PS3 trophy sound is reallly reallly rewarding though :)

Fat princess song is pretty good, great fit just like LBP soundtrack.

Am I the only one who thought the music in Call of Duty:4 was amazing too?
(Every time I meantion 'COD4' I feel like an 8 year old :angry:)

Ok, I promised I would join the site if Don Marco gave me a shout out, and I was in the song! What sucks though, is that I wasn't paying attention to how many comments were on Itunes, so I was comment 299!! But I was in the song, so I had to join the site. Love the podcast! Oh, and what does Humday Update mean anyway?
(Oh, and... ACHIEVEMENTS!!)

Edit: Oh I understand it now.

woho! my name was shouted out!

Welcome to the site notthevictim! Enjoy your stay!

Thanks dogs. Oh and I meant to put that post above in this weeks Humday Update but whatever.