If you are unaware of this (ie live outside the UK) today is a special edition of Question Time, where the racist BNP party has been invited to take part.

Unlike in America, Britain has many parties and although many believe David Cameron will win, some people will actually vote for this deluded person.

Nick Griffin thinks that everyone who is not British or white should be deported, believes the Holocaust was fake and even though he has tried using the military as a way of getting votes, even though some of our bravest soldiers were either black or from exBritish colonies.

The Army has distanced themselves from his lunatic beliefs, and Churchills grandson doesnt want to have anything to do with him, saying that his grandfather would never belong in 'that party' as Winston believes in unifying, which is the oppisite to the BNP's beliefs.

I believe that the BBC are wrong to even give them a chance to speak, as racists have no place in this world. What are your views?

Its not a good thing but it's not exactly a bad thing either, Maybe people will see his real views and not vote for him..
I wouldn't base your views on what you read in the paper about the BNP though, Yes they do have policies and views that could be seen as racist but they aren't exactly going round declaring death to black people or people of ethnic minorities...

Just because he has incredibly ignorant beliefs doesn't mean he shouldn't be allowed to share them.

I guess, but still its not right that he should try to use our greatest leader as some kind of racist, then say army chiefs should be tried for 'war crimes'

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, other people however should not be influenced by his.

Everyone should have a chance to present their opinions to the public. Keeping three parties in the spotlight and not letting the others have a say is against the very basic rules of democracy, and especially your "I don't agree with what they're saying, so they shouldn't be on TV" mentality is weird. Every party tells you what they think, then you choose one to vote for - that's how this works. Or at least how it should work.

let him speak what ever he wants if people are stupid enough to elect the bnp then ill just lose all my faith in mankind

Everyone should have a chance to present their opinions to the public. Keeping three parties in the spotlight and not letting the others have a say is against the very basic rules of democracy, and especially your "I don't agree with what they're saying, so they shouldn't be on TV" mentality is weird. Every party tells you what they think, then you choose one to vote for - that's how this works. Or at least how it should work.

I can see where your coming from, but there are people, especially in this climate, who would probably vote for him for the wrong reasons. However loads of celebs reckon he will just make a fool of himself, so noone will vote for him.

I think the Monster Raving Loonies and green party should be on. Or at least more than the three already

The worst thing is that the BNP got 2 seats in the European parliament. I can see it now:

"We are now going to review the bills put forward by the BNP, okay, so they wish to 'ban black people from entering Europe, ever' oooookay"

I would love to see them get totally denied, i ****ing laughed watching the news the other day when the reporter asked them if they were going to stop being a racist party, and the guy was just like "errrr, errrr we are most definitely not a racist party". Then again, unfortunately, totally banning someone can only happen if he openly, on live tv, incited racial hatred.

I can understand the BBC's decision to allow him on, unfortunately the BNP now have enough support to warrant his appearance. Since the BBC is paid for by the public they need to devote time to a party if it has enough support. People shouldn't assume that just because he is on the BBC the BNP will therefore become more popular. It may have the reverse effect.

Hopefully this should show to people what he truly is, a racist.

I can understand the BBC's decision to allow him on, unfortunately the BNP now have enough support to warrant his appearance. Since the BBC is paid for by the public they need to devote time to a party if it has enough support. People shouldn't assume that just because he is on the BBC the BNP will therefore become more popular. It may have the reverse effect.

Hopefully this should show to people what he truly is, a racist.

This guy i get. Thats the only good thing that could come out of this. He will end looking like the idiot he really is

I can see where your coming from, but there are people, especially in this climate, who would probably vote for him for the wrong reasons. However loads of celebs reckon he will just make a fool of himself, so noone will vote for him.

I think the Monster Raving Loonies and green party should be on. Or at least more than the three alreadyAnd people should be allowed to vote for them, if the BNP can persuade them to do so. I understand that you, and by that I mean every single UK citizen, wants the best for their country; however, the definition of "the best" changes from person to person. That's why the majority wins; there always will be racists, and if they want to have their own party, let them - they won't ever rule the country anyway.

Let's say there's a party of gamers, and they obviously want to get rid of the game age ratings, make video games more popular, etc. but the majority of people disagrees with them. Are they right? Both yes and no. Same thing with racists.

I cant see whyi should care so much, seeing as i cant vote for 2 years, but i think h views are completely redundant in this multicultural society

ive never voted, i dont see any parties that really appeal to me at all really

If we are a democratic nation like we say we are then yes, he should be allowed. I don't support the BNP in any way but not allowing their party leader, Nick Griffin, to appear is wrong. If people buy into the BNP then it just shows how weak minded they are. Nobody is going to support because of this, it's a waste of his time but we should allow him the right.

If we are a democratic nation like we say we are then yes, he should be allowed. I don't support the BNP in any way but not allowing their party leader, Nick Griffin, to appear is wrong. If people buy into the BNP then it just shows how weak minded they are. Nobody is going to support because of this, it's a waste of his time but we should allow him the right.

Ah, but it is illegal, and immoral to incite racial hatred, which both him, and the party has done on numerous occasions.

Ah, but it is illegal, and immoral to incite racial hatred, which both him, and the party has done on numerous occasions.

Not to mention that Griffin is a holocaust denier.

Not to mention that Griffin is a holocaust denier.

i have to laugh at people who really think that, just to save my self from crying/screaming abuse. I mean, what do they think happened? Eh?

i have to laugh at people who really think that, just to save my self from crying/screaming abuse. I mean, what do they think happened? Eh?

A Wizard did it...

I can see where your coming from, but there are people, especially in this climate, who would probably vote for him for the wrong reasons. However loads of celebs reckon he will just make a fool of himself, so noone will vote for him.

That right there. Are you at all worried that he'll get elected at all? If not, then why do you care? Is it because it conflicts with what you personally believe?

Don't get me wrong. I've been following this, as England is like my second home and I care about what gos on there, and in no way do I agree with anything he stands for...but honestly. Saying he shouldn't be allowed on TV is a little much. You expect your choice of party to have free speech on the TV? Don't demand that others free speech be taken away, no matter how f***ed we all think his views are.

That right there. Are you at all worried that he'll get elected at all? If not, then why do you care? Is it because it conflicts with what you personally believe?

Don't get me wrong. I've been following this, as England is like my second home and I care about what gos on there, and in no way do I agree with anything he stands for...but honestly. Saying he shouldn't be allowed on TV is a little much. You expect your choice of party to have free speech on the TV? Don't demand that others free speech be taken away, no matter how f***ed we all think his views are.

So, for example, if a party of neo-nazi's were given airtime to share there views with the world on TV you would be fine with it?

No...I would not be fine with it, but it is their free speech we're talking about. Just because they have extreme and terrible views does not mean that we have any right to say they shouldn't have them and tell them if given the platform (and let's face it...even the craziest of crazies like Glenn Beck and Bill O'Riley wouldn't even think of giving a neo-nazi the time of day anyway).

The day we decide free speech for some and not all (even the most horrible of horrible) is the day the free world ceases to be the free world.

It's not that I don't care, it is just that I do not follow it. And as others said he seems like a very racist person but let him speak.Most people will declare him a racist and change the channel.

no bans

1) Ban = gain sympathy (my enemies dont WANT you to hear me!)
2) show his true colors as you need to see most people's.... believe me I wish we could have things so open here in the states sometimes. PC is KILLING US.

I just watched that program, the BBC was right to let him on, we live in a Democracy and every on has the right of free speech, even racists. I had to do a debate at school in which I had to say why the BNP should be allowed to be in Parliment. One of my points was that the defintion of racism is treating someone differently because of thier beliefs, good or bad and that in this case, excluding him from a TV becuase he is racist in itself is racist too.

Don't get me wrong Nick Griffin is a horrible person and his views are terrible too, but even he gets the right of free speech, a person on the shoe said that democracy can be ugly but its still the best man has. Also he got pwned on the show, everyone, the panel and the audience were not giving him any chance (quite rightly) and they tore down any attempt he made at trying to appear moderate. He won't, by his choice, being going on any other TV shows for awhile after that slaughter.

Wait you guys have a party in your country led by a racist ****bend? Pardon my ignorance (I don't keep up with world news that much) but damn. Here's hoping the ****er doesn't get any seats in any part of government.

That being said, as much as I hate this ****, I can't deny him his right to speak. Denying him the right to speak is bad and it would probably get his party sympathy which you do not want.

He has a right to speak. It's probably better that way though. If he actually speaks then people can see what a racist shit he is and just ignore him whereas outright banning him for public speaking would just generate sympathy for his views.

Better for people to see what an asshole he is, rather than see a man being persecuted for his ignorant views.

I completely agree that Nick Griffin had perfect right to be on Question Time. If you watched it, you could transfer the panels combined views on the Stephen Gately article in the Daily Mail to the BNP leader's presence. You may not agree with him, his party or his views, but he has every right to go onto TV and put his opinions across, and defend himself and the party.

One thing that another panel member said, that I totally agree with and think really sums the whole thing up, was that Griffin was "unable to put his normal PR version of who he is, but he's been exposed for who he really is."

Ah, but it is illegal, and immoral to incite racial hatred, which both him, and the party has done on numerous occasions.
This is the one thing I dislike about it all. Illegality aside, racism is immoral and incorrect, and an old idea that is based on lies. If people can still go along with these opinions, then I cannot find it in me to see them give their views. Maybe closed-minded of me, but I really just cannot

racism is immoral

Says who? Says you? Then good, you can vote for the choice you feel is moral.

Obviously I'm just being the devil's advocate here, but there is no universally observed standard for morality, even within a single nation. And this is why we vote.

The really unfortunate thing is that most of the people voting BNP aren't actually racist they've jsut been scared by the tabloid's scare mongering on immigration and have voted BNP becuase the BNP has taken advantage of these scared people and said If we're elected we'll sort that out. And that comforts those people who don't know fully that the BNP is a rascist facist party.

Ah, but it is illegal, and immoral to incite racial hatred, which both him, and the party has done on numerous occasions.

Yes its illegal to incite racist hatred or direct racism at one particular person as stated in the Race Relations Act of 1976 and 2006. However to be racist illegal, that freedom of speech. This is what Nick Griffen and other members of the BNP hide behind to avoid prosecution, there are also may loop holes in the Race Relations Act of 1976 and 2006, becuase it is not that specific on what is expressing your opinion and what is inciting hatred.

Update on the Nick Griffin thing. He filed a formal complaint to the BBC over his treatment on the show form the other panel members. Your a Nazi Nick what do you expect! This complaint will go nowhere for the reason above ad the fact he was lucky to get on Question Time.

The really unfortunate thing is that most of the people voting BNP aren't actually racist they've jsut been scared by the tabloid's scare mongering on immigration and have voted BNP becuase the BNP has taken advantage of these scared people and said If we're elected we'll sort that out. And that comforts those people who don't know fully that the BNP is a rascist facist party.

Yes its illegal to incite racist hatred or direct racism at one particular person as stated in the Race Relations Act of 1976 and 2006. However to be racist illegal, that freedom of speech. This is what Nick Griffen and other members of the BNP hide behind to avoid prosecution, there are also may loop holes in the Race Relations Act of 1976 and 2006, becuase it is not that specific on what is expressing your opinion and what is inciting hatred.

Update on the Nick Griffin thing. He filed a formal complaint to the BBC over his treatment on the show form the other panel members. Your a Nazi Nick what do you expect! This complaint will go nowhere for the reason above ad the fact he was lucky to get on Question Time.

Use the edit button dude.

More on topic: Even when the racist does speak though very few people listen anyway. Did any of you see how he was on Question Time? Pretty much Him vs Everyone else. Which is, IMO, how it should be.

Use the edit button dude.

More on topic: Even when the racist does speak though very few people listen anyway. Did any of you see how he was on Question Time? Pretty much Him vs Everyone else. Which is, IMO, how it should be.

Agreed, twas more the mob psychology of the audience at large methinks, but the fact people didn't listen is probably a good thing. The ignorance of that is most definitely not right, but in the end, will that make a difference? No, I don't think so

Agreed, twas more the mob psychology of the audience at large methinks, but the fact people didn't listen is probably a good thing. The ignorance of that is most definitely not right, but in the end, will that make a difference? No, I don't think so

I know I've posted way to much on this thread but apparently his appereance has made a difference. According to a pole 1 in 5 UK voters may now be considering to vote BNP. Thats 20% and that means that in the next general election they may likely win a few seats in the House of Parliment, slowly getting closer to their goal, scary . . .

I know I've posted way to much on this thread but apparently his appereance has made a difference. According to a pole 1 in 5 UK voters may now be considering to vote BNP. Thats 20% and that means that in the next general election they may likely win a few seats in the House of Parliment, slowly getting closer to their goal, scary . . .

What was the sample size and over how widespread an area was the survey carried out?

Without those bits of information then it's hard to work out what worth the survey has.

Ask 20 people in Dagenham (Essex), an area that regularly elects BNP councillors, and you'll get a skewed opinion.

If they asked 3000 people across various areas of London and got those figures, then yeah it get's scary.

If you are unaware of this (ie live outside the UK) today is a special edition of Question Time, where the racist BNP party has been invited to take part.

Unlike in America, Britain has many parties and although many believe David Cameron will win, some people will actually vote for this deluded person.

Nick Griffin thinks that everyone who is not British or white should be deported, believes the Holocaust was fake and even though he has tried using the military as a way of getting votes, even though some of our bravest soldiers were either black or from exBritish colonies.

The Army has distanced themselves from his lunatic beliefs, and Churchills grandson doesnt want to have anything to do with him, saying that his grandfather would never belong in 'that party' as Winston believes in unifying, which is the oppisite to the BNP's beliefs.

I believe that the BBC are wrong to even give them a chance to speak, as racists have no place in this world. What are your views?


Wow... read the tabloids much?

Dear god i havent even bothered reading this whole thread because im sure it will be full of people exactly like this!

Hes not an f-ing racist!!!!
Its the media hyping it up like they do with everything: The recession, youths being out of control, MPs expenses. EVERYTHING

All he wants is to essentially shut the doors of the UK to stop people coming in. We all know that immigration is a MASSIVE problem in this country. Ok, obviously his views are a bit extremist but he is NOT a racist. Compare him to the problems they have in the US with organisations like the KKK and he is NOTHING. Quite frankly the media and the BBC especially are being disgraceful. They sat him next to a black poet, they only answered questions from black and asian people and everyone just asked STUPID questions.

I could do nothing but laugh when one of the asian members of the audience simply asked "Where do you want me to go?"
Hes never said he wants people to leave, just that he wants to stop immigration. Hes ultra right and the BBC and a lot of the media is often ultra left so what do you expect?

Wow... read the tabloids much?

Dear god i havent even bothered reading this whole thread because im sure it will be full of people exactly like this!

Hes not an f-ing racist!!!!
Its the media hyping it up like they do with everything: The recession, youths being out of control, MPs expenses. EVERYTHING

All he wants is to essentially shut the doors of the UK to stop people coming in. We all know that immigration is a MASSIVE problem in this country. Ok, obviously his views are a bit extremist but he is NOT a racist. Compare him to the problems they have in the US with organisations like the KKK and he is NOTHING. Quite frankly the media and the BBC especially are being disgraceful. They sat him next to a black poet, they only answered questions from black and asian people and everyone just asked STUPID questions.

I could do nothing but laugh when one of the asian members of the audience simply asked "Where do you want me to go?"
Hes never said he wants people to leave, just that he wants to stop immigration. Hes ultra right and the BBC and a lot of the media is often ultra left so what do you expect?

He is a racist twat.

He is a racist twat.

hes a twat yeah... but hes not that racist... as in like his views arent that extreme. ALL of us have racist thoughts, not a single one of you can tell me youve NEVER had a racist thought!

We don't broadcast racist views.

We don't broadcast racist views.

and we DIDNT. Did you even watch the damn show?

Haven't read any of this thread.

My views are simple:

If we were to deny nick griffin a platform for his views, we would not be having this debate.

We would already be living under fascism.

well, my view, if anyone cares is
people will be people
nothing i can do about
so let this dude do what he wants and just not care

I mean't that I wouldn't be openly racist. It's ignorant and shouldn't be allowed. I'm glad he went on, He came off as a prick.

<can of worms>

And someone can close that tag when we decide whether restricting immigration is racist or not.

And someone can close that tag when we decide whether restricting immigration is racist or not.Suuure, we all know that the US is the nest of racism.

my parents are voting BNP this year, for the sole fact that because of immigration, white people are an ethnic minority in britan, our own country.

it is overcrowded here as it is, they need to stop letting in immigrants i think.

Not the minority.

I'm getting a bit worried about immigration, too. Apparently, in the UK, Muslims have gotten into the majority of councils and are now putting a Muslim influence into every decision made. If this is true, then that's a huge issue. People can't just go to other countries and start imposing their beliefs and values... Then again, Muslims don't seem to have a problem with it =/

People are people. They hate changes in societal values, and now times are changing, people argue. I disagree with some of the BNP's ideas, and the racist ideologies proven, nothing is 'completely evil', just as nothing is 'completely perfect', but the fact they want change is something people disagree with, and the fact it's a change to what seems to be the worst for many people doesn't give the BNP support either

but the fact they want change is something people disagree with

Funny how over here Obama was able to win a presidential election by simply screaming that word in our faces for two years.

my parents are voting BNP this year, for the sole fact that because of immigration, white people are an ethnic minority in britan, our own country.

it is overcrowded here as it is, they need to stop letting in immigrants i think.

Dude no! Every party wants to slow down immigration, but they want to do it becuase too many immigrants negatively effects the country, the BNP want to do it becuase they want Britain to be "pure". That guy is Hitler, are they even aware of his views and what he wants to do. I hope they don't becuase if they do, there racsit themselves, White are not an ethni minority either, 92% of the British population are white.

I'm getting a bit worried about immigration, too. Apparently, in the UK, Muslims have gotten into the majority of councils and are now putting a Muslim influence into every decision made. If this is true, then that's a huge issue. People can't just go to other countries and start imposing their beliefs and values... Then again, Muslims don't seem to have a problem with it =/

That again is untrue, I'm currently taking 3rd year Modern Studies and have recently been looking at under representation. There are only around 5 MPs out of I think it 646 total are from an ethnic minority. All this is just scare mongering. A fair percentage of the Muslims currently living in Britain are either 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants, they grew up in Britain, they speak in English, they will have kids in Britain and most likely die in Birtain. That makes them British, religion and colour should not affect this.

And also "Muslim influence" into decisions how excatly would you tell whether the decision to collect the bins on a Sunday instead of Monday because of low traffic was made by a Muslim or a white person.

i think not

Although i disagree with their ideology the act of stopping them would be against democracy.

hes a twat yeah... but hes not that racist... as in like his views arent that extreme. ALL of us have racist thoughts, not a single one of you can tell me youve NEVER had a racist thought!

His own mother in law has come out today and said he is a rascist.

Article in the Telegraph. She says she thinks he still has the same views, just has moderated them since wanting to get into parliament.

Quotes like "he's living in the dark ages" and "he wants an all white England" makes me think he's at least a little bit rascist...

Wow... read the tabloids much?

Dear god i havent even bothered reading this whole thread because im sure it will be full of people exactly like this!

Hes not an f-ing racist!!!!

Firstly this thread is full of people like the person you were just quoting. Intelligent and most importantly pro-equal rights people. Look at the evidence, he is racist, there is no denying it and don't even try to argue back because I will post every video, quote and picture that proves evryone else on this thread right.

You are right he does want to stom immigration but for all thewrong reasons. I agree their are to many immigrants coming into the country but voting for a RACIST and FACIST party is not how we should fix the problem.

That again is untrue, I'm currently taking 3rd year Modern Studies and have recently been looking at under representation. There are only around 5 MPs out of I think it 646 total are from an ethnic minority. All this is just scare mongering. A fair percentage of the Muslims currently living in Britain are either 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants, they grew up in Britain, they speak in English, they will have kids in Britain and most likely die in Birtain. That makes them British, religion and colour should not affect this.

Fair enough, then.

I'll address the rest of your post later. I'm tired =D

Funny how over here Obama was able to win a presidential election by simply screaming that word in our faces for two years.

That's true. However, his views showed a change to something better, and from what you read people saying, Americans, as a generalisation (so I know this won't be everyone), wanted a change from the George Bush running of their country, and so Obama used that. He's a smart dude, I'll give him that.

let's be honest, he showed exactly what he is when he smirked all the through the discussion on his denial of the holocaust. He may be racist, but he's also a c*** politician. Some people at first may be swayed by his talk on immigration, but let's be honest his thoughts on an "indigenous white people" are pure bull. There is not 1 person in Britain who's family can all be traced back to the Norman's like he claimed. Take me for example, Both my parents are English, but 2 of my grandparents are Irish, one is Latvian. we then followed the remaining English branch back further and found Canadian, Russian and American ancestors around the 1900's. He's a pure idiot. Plain and simple.

let's be honest, he showed exactly what he is when he smirked all the through the discussion on his denial of the holocaust. He may be racist, but he's also a c*** politician. Some people at first may be swayed by his talk on immigration, but let's be honest his thoughts on an "indigenous white people" are pure bull. There is not 1 person in Britain who's family can all be traced back to the Norman's like he claimed. Take me for example, Both my parents are English, but 2 of my grandparents are Irish, one is Latvian. we then followed the remaining English branch back further and found Canadian, Russian and American ancestors around the 1900's. He's a pure idiot. Plain and simple.

Possibly no-one is purely British, tis almost impossible to be, I have English, Scottish, American and South African blood in me. Does it make me less of a person, not being purely British. Hell no

Possibly no-one is purely British, tis almost impossible to be, I have English, Scottish, American and South African blood in me. Does it make me less of a person, not being purely British. Hell no

More importantly, does it make you any less British? Hell no.

More importantly, does it make you any less British? Hell no.

I'd rather be more of a person, than more British. Character is better than a show of the country you're from methinks.

Tho if you're Nick Griffin, then it would be other way around I suppose

I'd rather be more of a person, than more British. Character is better than a show of the country you're from methinks.

Tho if you're Nick Griffin, then it would be other way around I suppose

true true, Except of course when it comes down to sport :lol: The Olympics would be very boring if everyone represented themselves, the only reason I watch rowing for example is we have a chance of winning.:lol:

Nick the d*** just wants a country where its just him and no one else.
why not give him it, send him to the south pole so he can live with himself. :thumbsup:
though reading that back has given me an image I don't want to think about. :huh:

I agree with all who said that everyone is entitled to their opinion and views (even if I don't agree with them). The world is full of idiots who have no opinion of their own, so they go with whatever sounds halfway good to them. They are retarded sheep who will follow any shepherd. Should the idiots of the world be allowed to speak their mind? Sadly, yes. But then again, maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea if someone DIDN'T let these ass hats go out and spread their message of hate.

Let him blabber and then ignore him to death.