If you ask me, the only reason "AAA" grade games are going to pc from the 360(mass effect, halo, COD4) is because Microsoft is sadly trying to make GFWL more competitive. Apparently, it backfired. Now the 360 is overtaken by the ps3.

That only applies to PC gamers, like me.

It totally removes any reason for me to buy a 360, since pretty much all the exclusives I can, and would rather play on my PC.

So I bought a PS3...

Because you'll never see Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank or Warhawk on the PC...

Releasing Windows Vista.they sould have waited a few months and fix its many many problems.

When was the 360 overtaken by the PS3? I know the PS3 outsold the 360, but not in overall units.. unless I missed a massive boost of 6 million PS3s being sold..

When was the 360 overtaken by the PS3? I know the PS3 outsold the 360, but not in overall units.. unless I missed a massive boost of 6 million PS3s being sold..

/agreed.

how is COD4 a 'AAA' title?
It isn't owned in any shape or form by Microsoft.
it was released on all platforms straight away.

The ps3 has outsold the 360 in one month weren't it?
Doesn't mean the 360 is now several million units behind..

Well the PS3 has been outselling the 360 in units over time worldwide for ages.

But no you're right, the PS3 is still behind in total units.

They moved those games there because theres a market for them there.

Doesn't the ability to play those ported games on XBox Live - for which you must pay microsoft to use - kind of nullify your theory? They are tapping into a new market and making people pay to play socially.

It would take playing for 100 years on xbox live before you pass the cost og a good gaming PC.

If you ask me, the only reason "AAA" grade games are going to pc from the 360(mass effect, halo, COD4) is because Microsoft is sadly trying to make GFWL more competitive. Apparently, it backfired. Now the 360 is overtaken by the ps3.

If they are getting any kind of royalty for being under Games for Windows, it's not a mistake in the least. In fact, it would go towards proving what I think we will see in a few generations.

I'm pretty positive it's free for Devs to do GFWLive...

So Microsoft allowing PC gamers to enjoy games we console gamers have enjoyed is a bad move? How?

So Microsoft allowing PC gamers to enjoy games we console gamers have enjoyed is a bad move? How?

Yeah, I didn't figure that one out.
I don't understand why PC gamers have GFWL so much..

I play Gears and Halo 2 PC on it and its fine, Had no problem with it at all..


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2000th post! :D

Because Steam is infinately better, and free.

I'd rather die then pay to play games online on a PC.

Yeah, I didn't figure that one out.Ya alot people(including myself) seem to forget that once you get pass all the fanboy comments and whatnot were all still gamers. It doesn't matter what platform you game on at the end of the day were all gamers. Its sad to see how selfish gamers get. Games that aren't published by Sony or MS should all be multiplatform imo especially this generation.

The creation of the Games For Windows label is a good thing. The creation of pay-to-play GfWL, which is still a train wreck in comparison to other/previous systems is a bad idea (so far). Likewise cross-platform play...who wanted that exactly?

Crysis and others avoided using it because they knew that PC gamers are much more attached to the standards they have come to expect. Having to load a game in order to use GfWL is stupid. Charging me just so you can provide a numerical record of my ranked matches is also stupid.

That BS may fly with XBL, but I'll be damned if I shovel out cash for someone to tell me how many games I won.

That said, GfWL is still new, fetus new even. Ewwww. Lol. Anyway, I think Microsoft is progressive enough that Shane Kim can bring it around to being something competitive and welcoming to the, admittedly, semi-elitist and picky PC gamer community. But that is a future 2+ years from now. As it stands, GfWL is a non entity for PC gamers.

Ya alot people(including myself) seem to forget that once you get pass all the fanboy comments and whatnot were all still gamers. It doesn't matter what platform you game on at the end of the day were all gamers. Its sad to see how selfish gamers get. Games that aren't published by Sony or MS should all be multiplatform imo especially this generation.

As a gamer, that's exactly what I want.

I was one of the few PS3 owners that was happy when it was announced DMC4 was coming to the 360 also.

However from a business perspective that is not.

If I want to invest in a console, I'm going to invest in the one that has the most unique games that I can't get on my other systems.

Wii and PS3 are perfect in this, you won't find Galaxy or Uncharted anywhere else, but if I want Gears of War, I can just play it on my PC...

Which means there's less of a reason for my to buy a 360.

As a gamer, that's exactly what I want.

I was one of the few PS3 owners that was happy when it was announced DMC4 was coming to the 360 also.

However from a business perspective that is not.Ya I agree but what I dont understand is why MGS 4 is PS3 only. Konami is spending millions of dollars on this game and it doesn't matter if its the best game ever it sales are limited to the PS3 install base which isn't too big. Then you take into account that not all PS3 owners are gonna buy it. Thats just asking for trouble imo. I can see 1st party games being exclusive but I would assume third parties would want as much profit as possible.

If I want to invest in a console, I'm going to invest in the one that has the most unique games that I can't get on my other systems.

Wii and PS3 are perfect in this, you won't find Galaxy or Uncharted anywhere else, but if I want Gears of War, I can just play it on my PC...

Which means there's less of a reason for my to buy a 360.
I dont by this agrument at all since the 360 has alot of 360 only games(probably moreso than the PS3) but to each his own.

That only applies to PC gamers, like me.

It totally removes any reason for me to buy a 360, since pretty much all the exclusives I can, and would rather play on my PC.

So I bought a PS3...

Because you'll never see Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank or Warhawk on the PC...

You're a PC gamer? Haha.. i find that hard to believe after you attack peeps who try to defend PC gaming in this console centric forum.

Back to the topic at hand, I applaud M$ for doing what it did too.. Means i almost never will have to get that 360 if all their games get ported eventually...

Every MS owned label is GfWL when it inevedably goes PC. The fact that every 360 exclusive becomes a PC game too just means that MS has a much bigger audience. From our perspective all they're doing is giving great games to more people, and from their perspective they have an incredably massive consumer base. More games for us, more money for MS. Nobody looses.

I'm pretty positive it's free for Devs to do GFWLive...

Then maybe they are looking to standardize all of it? After all, they sell 360s at a loss. This is a given. However, they make their cash back on software, XBL, and roylaties for other people who want to sell on their system. Dont you think MS would want to extend such a licensing system to PC?

Clearly, they cant right now, but if they could get the same license from a disc that plays on both, that gets them more by means of % of the cashflow of games.....

I really wonder if that's the world we are headed to....

I dont by this agrument at all since the 360 has alot of 360 only games(probably moreso than the PS3) but to each his own.

And most I can get on the PC, and have, that was my point.

You're a PC gamer? Haha.. i find that hard to believe after you attack peeps who try to defend PC gaming in this console centric forum.

I think you're confusing me with someone else.

I Am, and always have been, primarily a PC gamer.

And most I can get on the PC, and have, that was my point.
I understand the point but I just dont by it. Thats let saying theres no need to buy a PSP since almost every big PSP release has been ported to the PS2. I know the PSP is handheld and the PS2 is not but just like the differences between PS2 and PSP the 360 and PC offer difference experiences/features.

I just wish all games were on all platforms because then i could buy the system i want for the system and not because the 360 had all the good games when i wanted the next gen.

I understand the point but I just dont by it. Thats let saying theres no need to buy a PSP since almost every big PSP release has been ported to the PS2. I know the PSP is handheld and the PS2 is not but just like the differences between PS2 and PSP the 360 and PC offer difference experiences/features.

That's a really flawed analogy.

The PSP has plenty of great games I can't get ont eh PS2.

Crisis Core, Bleach HTS 1-5, Silent Hill Origins, Logan's Shadow, Monster Hunter Freedom 2 etc.

The 360 doesn't have much, though it has a few exceptions (Ninja Gaiden 2 , Halo 3(but we all know that will be on the PC in a couple years) and Crackdown)

And the experience on a PC-360 is much less of an issue, i can plug a 360 controller into both, and play both on a HD TV.

PSP to PS2 is a much larger difference.

It's not hard to see at all.

There is no reason for me what soever to buya 360 besides Ninja Gaiden 2.