everyone says the pc is dead or dieing

bollocks of course


but if u actually think about it

name one good consel game that hasn't been realsed on pc or came out on pc eventually with extra stuff :D


i struggle to find one

and then there is all the pc exculsive games

and the very high end pcs have better graphics

sure they cost more with upgrades and newer parts

but i'm willin to do it for the best gaming experence but yet peaple still insist pc gamin is dieing


so yeh forgot what my point was but my little rant/thing that came to my mind and i was bored lol



so yeh pc rocks somethink that just came to mind

Yeah my friends are 360 gamers...turning to pc since i showed them Crysis and Orange box...(they got orange box for 360) but man they were drooling when i showed them some screens from cyrsis

name one good consel game that hasn't been realsed on pc or came out on pc eventually with extra stuff :D

Ill do you one better, ill name 20.

Final Fantasy X
Mario 64
Super Mario Bros 3
Zelda OoT
Super Metroid
Sonic 1 & 2
Street Fighter II
Marvel Vs Capcom
Crackdown
Rez
Pokémon
God of War
Rock band
Kingdom Hearts
Uncharted
Warhawk
R&C Future
Rival Schools
Super Smash Bros
Chrono Trigger

Ill do you one better, ill name 20.

Final Fantasy X - granted, would like this game on PC
Mario 64 - kids game
Super Mario Bros 3 - kids game
Zelda OoT - kids game
Super Metroid - kids game
Sonic 1 & 2 - kids game
Street Fighter II - Alpha is good enough, available on PC
Marvel Vs Capcom - granted, would like on PC
Crackdown - no loss there, tons of abilities with no content
Rez - granted, fun game I wish PC had
Pokémon - are you kidding me?
God of War - Hell yeah I wish we had this
Rock band - we have guitar hero which does the job
Kingdom Hearts - granted, wish we had
Uncharted - not sure, seems cool
Warhawk - hell yeah I wish we had this one
R&C Future - kids game
Rival Schools - no loss there
Super Smash Bros - never got the attraction to the series, kids game
Chrono Trigger - great title

Wow, little kid games, half of which are almost a decade old. Not too mention most of those can be played on PC fyi, I don't support piracy that hurts the industry, but just about everyone has the entire NES, SNES, Genesis, PS1 etc collections on PC already. 10 years after the fact nobody is loosing money over it.

Still 7 out of 20 ain't bad I guess. Most of that is stuff PC gamers have no interest in anyway seeing as how the demographic is mostly adults who played most of that stuff a decade + ago when we were kids who only had a NES or whatever.

Edit: Not knocking anyone for liking whatever games, if you think it is fun, that's all that matters. Just don't think most of those titles hold any appeal for PC gamers today.

Final Fantasy X - granted, would like this game on PC
Mario 64 - kids game
Super Mario Bros 3 - kids game
Zelda OoT - kids game
Super Metroid - kids game
Sonic 1 & 2 - kids game
Street Fighter II - Alpha is good enough, available on PC
Marvel Vs Capcom - granted, would like on PC
Crackdown - no loss there, tons of abilities with no content
Rez - granted, fun game I wish PC had
Pokémon - are you kidding me?
God of War - Hell yeah I wish we had this
Rock band - we have guitar hero which does the job
Kingdom Hearts - granted, wish we had
Uncharted - not sure, seems cool
Warhawk - hell yeah I wish we had this one
R&C Future - kids game
Rival Schools - no loss there
Super Smash Bros - never got the attraction to the series, kids game
Chrono Trigger - great title

Wow, little kid games, half of which are almost a decade old. Not too mention most of those can be played on PC fyi, I don't support piracy that hurts the industry, but just about everyone has the entire NES, SNES, Genesis, PS1 etc collections on PC already. 10 years after the fact nobody is loosing money over it.

Still 7 out of 20 ain't bad I guess. Most of that is stuff PC gamers have no interest in anyway seeing as how the demographic is mostly adults who played most of that stuff a decade + ago when we were kids who only had a NES or whatever.

Edit: Not knocking anyone for liking whatever games, if you think it is fun, that's all that matters. Just don't think most of those titles hold any appeal for PC gamers today.I was just choosing random games that many people consider to be some of the best games of all time. Pokémon is on that list because its the second best selling franchise of all time.

What exactly makes a game "kiddy" to you? Just wondering since you have R&C Future classified as "kiddy" yet Kingdom Hearts isn't.


Crysis sells 1 million units globally in a couple of months. SSB Brawl Sells 1millon units in 2 weeks in one region lol. The sad part is that there are 10x more pcs out there than Wiis. Why PC Dev's limit themselves to the small fraction of people who own "gaming" PCs is beyond me. The Sims and Wow are so popular just for the fact that almost any PC can run them.

Hmmmmmmm.... I remember something.
A long time ago, I was roaming the ps3 forum. I began flaming the console, and Rothbart threatened to ban me. So, I think similar terms apply in the pc gaming forum, don't you agree?

Ocarina of Time ranks #1 game of all time on most major gaming websites, despite the fact that it was technically a "kid's game".

A long time ago, I was roaming the ps3 forum. I began flaming the console, and Rothbart threatened to ban me. So, I think similar terms apply in the pc gaming forum, don't you agree?I flamed Sony in a post once and got an infraction...so you must've been going at it pretty hard for that!

I was just choosing random games that many people consider to be some of the best games of all time. Pokémon is on that list because its the second best selling franchise of all time.

I totally agree, that list does have some of the best games ever made, no question. Pokémon is one of those franchises that I never ever understood though. I guess you had to be a kid when the first game came out and it grew on ya as you aged. But hey, whatever is fun right?


What exactly makes a game "kiddy" to you? Just wondering since you have R&C Future classified as "kiddy" yet Kingdom Hearts isn't.

Just to clarify, by "kiddy" I don't mean they are bad games, far from it, some of those titles I called "kiddy" were fantastic in their day. When I say kiddy I mean, for the most part, they hold little appeal to working class adults, who make up the majority of PC gamers these days. Games like Sonic, Zelda, and other Nintendo brand names are titles that most PC gamers outgrew a decade ago. Kingdom Hearts was a typo, as I was thinking of a different title now that I looked it up. My godson loved it though, and R&C.


Crysis sells 1 million units globally in a couple of months. SSB Brawl Sells 1millon units in 2 weeks in one region lol. The sad part is that there are 10x more pcs out there than Wiis. Why PC Dev's limit themselves to the small fraction of people who own "gaming" PCs is beyond me. The Sims and Wow are so popular just for the fact that almost any PC can run them.

There is no question consoles dominate and that PC games sell less. It has been that way for over a decade now. PC developers don't limit themselves, especially since almost every major developer releases on more than just PC these days. The PC just allows them to do much much more than a console ever could. As a developer, the money is in consoles these days, but there is still enough cash in PC gaming to make that worthwhile too.

Why would a dev limit themselves to just making console games, as an artist, knowing your limited to technology that is already dated and can't do half of what you know is possible must suck. You make console games to make money, you make PC games to push the the limits of gaming.

And the high end gaming rig target is learning from the decreasing PC sales. COD4 ran great on most rigs, and Sins of a Solar Empire runs on damn near every PC and is the best selling PC game so far this year because of that. Mass Effect will likewise have reasonable system specs. And a more staggered upgrade rate and broader min specs is one of the major issues that the PC Gaming Alliance plans to address.

Hmmmmmmm.... I remember something.
A long time ago, I was roaming the ps3 forum. I began flaming the console, and Rothbart threatened to ban me. So, I think similar terms apply in the pc gaming forum, don't you agree?

As far as flaming and criticizing, seeing as how (unless over-ruled) the PC Gaming section is my domain. I'm the sheriff. I have absolutely no problem with debates, healthy criticism and questions.

Now one liner, broad statements and open attacks on the platform WILL NOT however be tolerated. Just stopping by to hate/troll would be a mistake. I'm totally happy speaking imo, and hearing the other side from the community.

It s dying, ive converted to 360, im not going back

As far as flaming and criticizing, seeing as how (unless over-ruled) the PC Gaming section is my domain. I'm the sheriff. I have absolutely no problem with debates, healthy criticism and questions.

Now one liner, broad statements and open attacks on the platform WILL NOT however be tolerated. Just stopping by to hate/troll would be a mistake. I'm totally happy speaking imo, and hearing the other side from the community.

Howdy Sheriff. Nice lookin' pair of six-clicker's ya got there. Know how to use 'em?

Just kidding. Of course PMPB knows how to use his mice!

It is nice to see that you're encouraging debate, as there are many people in this world who will never truly listen to and understand other points of view.

By the way, if you're looking for a deputy...

It s dying, ive converted to 360, im not going back

Now there's a constructive post! :rolleyes:

Anyone who claims PC gaming is dying, just wants it to die, so /shoo really >.>


Any and all of the gaming platforms have games worth playing.
Any and all of the gaming platforms have their proper audience.
Wether you like it or not, none of them will disappear.

Simple as that.
And if we all accept that, then we can co-exist peacefully.

This is just opinions, the pc won't be dead till everyone stops playing which won't ever happen therefore pc gaming is forever being given cpr.

Ill do you one better, ill name 20.

Final Fantasy X - dont care about FF.
Mario 64 - Nintendo, dont expect it on anything else.
Super Mario Bros 3 -Nintendo, dont expect it on anything else.
Zelda OoT - Nintendo, dont expect it on anything else.
Super Metroid - Nintendo, dont expect it on anything else.
Sonic 1 & 2 - WRONG! I had a PC title called Sonic COllection (sold it) that had these, 3 AND Sonic & Knuckles in one disc.
Street Fighter II - WRONG! I had that on PC back in the days of DOS
Marvel Vs Capcom - Wow... first non-nintendo title...
Crackdown - *yawn* Didnt this sell only for a certain beta?
Rez - OLD title, although you finally have one I would like to see make it.
Pokémon - Nintendo, dont expect it on anything else.
God of War - Written by Sony directly... dont expect anything else.
Rock band - Eh.... we have music simulators made to allow people to add their own tracks... and are free if you have the controllers. I think we can call this even.
Kingdom Hearts - Dont care, and old... wow...
Uncharted - uh... ok?
Warhawk - Battlefield, Battlefield 2, Battlefield 2010(?), Enemy Territory, Quake Wars.... ok, so Sony FINALLY caught on.
R&C Future - Sony, dont expect it on anything else.
Rival Schools - never heard of it.
Super Smash Bros - Nintendo, dont expect it on anything else.
Chrono Trigger - SNES title... talk about going old school to dig these up.

So basically, you were iether wrong or it's 1st party (and most often, Nintendo 1st party) for the most part.... Wow... just wow...

Well, I have a Wii, so for the most part, You completely made a useless argument.

It s dying, ive converted to 360, im not going back

Clearly when you already have platinum titles this year, this can not be the case.

Now if you want to tell me it's dying at GameStop... ok, Ill buy it. Getting your games at a store isnt so likely anymore. HOWEVER, Steam is... and all it's counterparts. DirectDownload is the way of the PC now.

PC is not going anywhere. If you are concerned about the reducing of number of shelves at game stores for PC games, have a look at the PC games section. It's quality vs quantity. These days the game stores usually carry selective titles thanks to downloads. Almost all of them are excellent titles. Just look at the sheer number of useless console titles like the ones based on movies (recently Jumper), yearly sports title that people trade-in within 2 months.

Look past the crap on the console shelves, you'll find that the number of good titles is same as that of PC. You'll realize that most of the games that are any good are also on the PC shelves. And for $10 cheap.

ok i wasn't having a go at consels i own 2

and tbh yeh there are great ones but they are multi platform no one is taking anythink away from those games

was jsut saying to the peaple who say pc gaming is dead that is all



and i have a ps3 so tbh totally forgot about most of thsoe games lol

i did say it wrong i know



not about making the consels look crap but making the pc look as good as them which i think it deserves and peaple saying it is all sims and wow

jsut look at all the amzing amzing games out on the pc

thats what i meant and what this post was about

phew!!
lol

I don't think pc gaming is dead. I think everyone just playing wow.
As a pc gamer, xbox360 and ps3 owner, I just find myself playing consoles more. One thing about pc games that concern me is the fact that companies making games for the pc is trying to make the next big MMO. Personally, I could care less about mmo's. Sure I played words of warcraft for about a year and got tired of it, Still a great game tho. But too many darn mmo's and not enough games with substance.

Its about darn time we had an open thread like this one in this sub forum where we, the original PC gamer, can voice our support, and cement our unity for PC gaming. Its almost a bloody crime to say that you're a PC gamer these days without the rest of the gaming world jumping on the imminent burial bandwagon.

We been marginalised, brutalised and vocally raped and violated left, right and center by the consolites who make up humourously false claims about the suppossed superiority of their chosen device of entertainment, when they conviniently forget the true precursor where their games are developed and tested on.. the venerable underdog, the PC.

As a proud and unashamedly almost exclusive PC gamer, I stand united with those of you who defend our art until the very end.

*grins* I think we need a battlecry...

First off I am not a pc gamer, never was, never will be (cause the shits to expensive and does not work half the time, its just not worth it for a few extra pixels and mods) but I do not believe it is dying, nor is it growing. Pc dev's are getting greedier (word?) and consoles are growing at an exponentially rate so it appears that pc gaming is dying but, in fact, it is more or less at a stand still. It is not doing terrible but not doing amazing either. But if it were dying WOW would not have 10 million and continue to grow.

Just my thoughts on the subject based on common sense and me talking out my ass. Please correct me if im wrong and tell what you think:)

wow, thanks for your input very well thought out. I'm guessing your one of those people where when someone does not have the same exact opinion as you there homosexual

Final Fantasy X - dont care about FF.
But that doesn't mean it isn't good, which it is.
Mario 64 - Nintendo, dont expect it on anything else.
That's beside the point, it's still an amazing game.
Super Mario Bros 3 -Nintendo, dont expect it on anything else.
That's beside the point, it's still an amazing game.
Zelda OoT - Nintendo, dont expect it on anything else.
That's beside the point, it's still an amazing game.
Super Metroid - Nintendo, dont expect it on anything else.
That's beside the point, it's still an amazing game.
Sonic 1 & 2 - WRONG! I had a PC title called Sonic COllection (sold it) that had these, 3 AND Sonic & Knuckles in one disc.
Okay, sure, I'll believe you on that one.
Street Fighter II - WRONG! I had that on PC back in the days of DOS
See above.
Marvel Vs Capcom - Wow... first non-nintendo title...
So you're saying that it is good.
Crackdown - *yawn* Didnt this sell only for a certain beta?
I thought it was very fun, and so did many other people. The beta was just a bonus.
Rez - OLD title, although you finally have one I would like to see make it.
And who cares if it's old? I care if it's fun.
Pokémon - Nintendo, dont expect it on anything else.
That's beside the point, it's still an amazing game.
God of War - Written by Sony directly... dont expect anything else.
That's beside the point, it's still an amazing game.
Rock band - Eh.... we have music simulators made to allow people to add their own tracks... and are free if you have the controllers. I think we can call this even.
I'd really like to see you try to make a PC Rock Band like that. Please, go and show me.
Kingdom Hearts - Dont care, and old... wow...
That's beside the point, it's still an amazing game.
Uncharted - uh... ok?
Uncharted was a lot of fun, I don't know what you're smoking.
Warhawk - Battlefield, Battlefield 2, Battlefield 2142, Enemy Territory, Quake Wars.... ok, so Sony FINALLY caught on.
But that doesn't mean it's bad. It's a great and still unique game, and it's not on the PC.
R&C Future - Sony, dont expect it on anything else.
That's beside the point, it's still an amazing game.
Rival Schools - never heard of it.
Neither have I.
Super Smash Bros - Nintendo, dont expect it on anything else.
That's beside the point, it's still an amazing game.
Chrono Trigger - SNES title... talk about going old school to dig these up.
That's beside the point, it's still an amazing game.

So basically, you were iether wrong or it's 1st party (and most often, Nintendo 1st party) for the most part.... Wow... just wow...

Well, I have a Wii, so for the most part, You completely made a useless argument.

I don't usually bash PC gaming, but WOW. Was that ever biased.

My main problem with PC gaming is how expensive it can be compared to console gaming. Yes, PCs are expandable, but this also means that if you want to keep up with the latest and greatest, you have to update at least your GPU once a year or so. And this can really add up. If I get the new rig I'm looking into, then I'll be set for the latest games for about 2 or 3 years before I have to update it. Oh well, at least it means I can play Crysis.

With a console, however, I'm basically set for its entire lifespan, which will, overall, save money despite TV and accessory costs (we're talking HDTV console setup vs high-end rig w/ big monitor + accessories here). It's not that I don't like PC gaming - if I had the money I would be a PC gamer, sure - it's just that I really can't afford all the upgrading. A new PC every 5 years or so is really all I can afford.

Please don't bash me on this, it is by no means an insult to PC gaming and is just my opinion.

First off I am not a pc gamer, never was, never will be (cause the shits to expensive and does not work half the time, its just not worth it for a few extra pixels and mods) but I do not believe it is dying, nor is it growing. Pc dev's are getting greedier (word?) and consoles are growing at an exponentially rate so it appears that pc gaming is dying but, in fact, it is more or less at a stand still. It is not doing terrible but not doing amazing either. But if it were dying WOW would not have 10 million and continue to grow.

Just my thoughts on the subject based on common sense and me talking out my ass. Please correct me if im wrong and tell what you think:)

I think you are wrong.....

1) Greed is part of any industry, and I dont see any less in consoles then PC.
2) Its more then a few pixels and mods. It's often right down to detail.
3) It is more expensive, but not to double (assuming you dont go to AlienWare and a few other distributors).
4) It sure as hell works alot more then half the time.... now if you mean software from the 9X era which was on a completely different kernel, then ok, but I wonder what the ratio to backwards compatibility on 360 is.... seriously, the only ones doing THAT perfectly is Nintendo (which kinda scares me). Although then again, if you have the patients, you can get past even that.
and 5) How the hell do we measure a market where you cant tell what hardware was bought for which purpose (office or gaming)? I think that's the maddening part of this.

And Mallavu, just because you cant handle a PC doesnt mean it sucks....

"THEY CANT STOP US, LET'EM TRY! FOR PC GAMING WE WILL DIE!!!!" - Taken from Die for Metal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_UGFLT0VMY) by Man-O-War, but I think it sounds right, dont you?

:D

Please don't bash me on this, it is by no means an insult to PC gaming and is just my opinion.

Who said I would? *laughs* I basically was pointing out almost everything there was Nintendo or indeed on PC. Almost all the Nintndo titles were among my own collection. But my point is, it's kinda redundant to say "game X isnt going to PC" when "no, duh! the company who may console Y made it so guess where it stays!"

I think you are wrong.....

1) Greed is part of any industry, and I dont see any less in consoles then PC. Check.
2) Its more then a few pixels and mods. It's often right down to detail. Yes, but sometimes things get a little excessive (the difference between some resolutions and things like AF and AA can be negligeable)
3) It is more expensive, but not to double (assuming you dont go to AlienWare and a few other distributors). Check.
4) It sure as hell works alot more then half the time.... now if you mean software from the 9X era which was on a completely different kernel, then ok, but I wonder what the ratio to backwards compatibility on 360 is.... seriously, the only ones doing THAT perfectly is Nintendo (which kinda scares me). Although then again, if you have the patients, you can get past even that. Check. The BC on the 360 is actually pretty decent, around 75% or so.
and 5) How the hell do we measure a market where you cant tell what hardware was bought for which purpose (office or gaming)? I think that's the maddening part of this. Well they usually measure just the games. If you were to check overall PC hardware sales, they would trump console hardware, but most people don't use them for gaming. So yeah, it's very hard to measure.

And Mallavu, just because you cant handle a PC doesnt mean it sucks.... Check.

"THEY CANT STOP US, LET'EM TRY! FOR PC GAMING WE WILL DIE!!!!" - Taken from Die for Metal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_UGFLT0VMY) by Man-O-War, but I think it sounds right, dont you?

:D

I agree for the most part.

Who said I would? *laughs* I basically was pointing out almost everything there was Nintendo or indeed on PC. Almost all the Nintndo titles were among my own collection. But my point is, it's kinda redundant to say "game X isnt going to PC" when "no, duh! the company who may console Y made it so guess where it stays!"

That sure wasn't the original intention of the 20 games list thing - it was to point out that there are many great games that do not get ported to the PC.

PC Gaming, actually, is probably going to get less dead (does that make sense?) in the future, seeing the formation of the PC Gaming alliance, who are trying to improve the view of PC gaming and its quality. They will try to convince major developers and publishers to come to the PC, and some are already bought, such as Bioware (now EA) who is bringing the phenominally great 360 game Mass Effect to the PC.

Another reason PC Gaming will never die is the fact that nearly everyone has a PC. And if you have a PC, you have games, even if they are just solitaire, minesweeper, and pinball. Those are still games, no matter how crappy they are! There are also the cheapy flash games on the internet, which can lead you to free MMOs, one thing the PC has that consoles do not.

And about the lists of games consoles have that the PC doesn't. Well, how about a list of 10 excellent modern games that the PC has and the console does not?
1. Crysis
2. S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
3. Supreme Commander
4. World of Warcraft
5. Medieval 2: Total War
6. Battlefield 2142
7. Company of Heroes
8. Age of Empires 3
9. The Witcher
10. Guild Wars

If you look back at that list, you may notice an interesting trend. Many of those games are strategy games. And that is where the PC excells. No console has totally mastered the controls of the strategy epic like the pc. There is just so much that you need to do, and the gamepad is bad at doing so much. The mouse is an extremely convienient tool for managing units, gathering resources, and conquering the world. And yes, I have played a number of PC-console cross platform strategy games and I thought the console versions were terrible, and if I had only played them and not also the PC versions, I would give them scores along the lines of Clive Barker's Jericho, whereas the PC versions of the games would have scored exponentially higher!

Not a bad list.... but I agree... if you get some giants pushing the PC, you will see some major pull... maybe in stores again.

But the PC never died... it just shifted... from stores to downloads. Only explanation I can come up with for the difference between the box sales (NDS tracked) of Crysis vs it going platinum.

Nice list iPlayPC, but i sure don't like the description the mods gave you just coz you're into PC gaming!

Nice list iPlayPC, but i sure don't like the description the mods gave you just coz you're into PC gaming!

Yeah, me too, but it was partially my fault.

wow, thanks for your input very well thought out. I'm guessing your one of those people where when someone does not have the same exact opinion as you there homosexual

Hey sorry man. I actually already forgot what I put there but if it offended you I'm sorry.

It's just that I just bought some new PC games and my computer isn't powerful enough to play them. So that was just me venting my anger I am really sorry if anyone else thought that was offensive.


P.S. if it wasn't offensive at all it's been a while since I saw that post.

it is dying. only the best of the best make pc games that sell (valve, blizzard, and recently crytek). halo 3, FF, mgs4, gta4, fallout 3, resistance 2, gears of war 2, mario galaxy, twilight princess, uncharted, god of war, and ninja gaiden 2. i focused mainly on games coming out to help grant u a greater picture on how it seems the really good upcoming games are not going 2 pc

it is dying. only the best of the best make pc games that sell (valve, blizzard, and recently crytek). halo 3, FF, mgs4, gta4, fallout 3, resistance 2, gears of war 2, mario galaxy, twilight princess, uncharted, god of war, and ninja gaiden 2. i focused mainly on games coming out to help grant u a greater picture on how it seems the really good upcoming games are not going 2 pc

Halo 3, GTA4 and Gears of War 2 will come out on PC eventually as their predecessors have. The rest are Nintendo and Sony titles so don't expect them top be released on a Microsoft OS, I for one am 99% certain that's the reason why we don't see those titles on PC, it's just the fact that those companies don't have a platform on PC and are unwilling to use their competitors OS which is obviously Windows. Lol?

What exactly makes a game "kiddy" to you? Just wondering since you have R&C Future classified as "kiddy" yet Kingdom Hearts isn't.


I would choose Kingdom Hearts over R&C anyday, maybe its just the undying hatred I have for that series, maybe its because I can play Kingdom Hearts when I'm bored and not feel like hurting my Sony Products.

(Ps2,PSP,Ps1 Haven't jumped for the Ps3 soon but my xbox just died so It might be time to try something new, im still gonna get it fixed tho)

I will get back ontopic now and say that the PC is by far the Greatest and Most Powerful gaming system ever created.:thumbsup:

it is dying. only the best of the best make pc games that sell (valve, blizzard, and recently crytek). halo 3, FF, mgs4, gta4, fallout 3, resistance 2, gears of war 2, mario galaxy, twilight princess, uncharted, god of war, and ninja gaiden 2. i focused mainly on games coming out to help grant u a greater picture on how it seems the really good upcoming games are not going 2 pc

:lol: You have GOT to be kidding, right? You didnt even manage to keep your OWN LIST PC FREE! How can you tell me it's dying!

(Btw, we all know Gears 2 and GTA 4 will be on PC in due time... MGS4 MIGHT if they are looking for another platform to make up cash on it.... so I could hold that against this list, too. And why all the Wii titles? I thought you didnt like the Wii iether?)

Now here's MY list, and it is ALL ONLY for PC:

HalfLife 2: Shoreline (we got it in the Orange Box)
Crysis
StarCraft 2
Hellgate London
AudioSurf
Dawn of War... ALL OF IT
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. AND it's soon to exist sequel
Penumbara (both of them)
Sins of the Solar Empire
AND... ALMOST EVERY MMO IN EXISTANCE (free or paid).

And for a promice Im still holding out hope on... DreamFall Chapters.

I tried to keep it rescent so it would be fair

What's Half Life 2: Shoreline? Do you mean Lost Coast?

What's Half Life 2: Shoreline? Do you mean Lost Coast?

most likely.. thought it wascalled Shoreline, though... but I thought it funny to put it on, anyway.

it is dying. only the best of the best make pc games that sell (valve, blizzard, and recently crytek). halo 3, FF, mgs4, gta4, fallout 3, resistance 2, gears of war 2, mario galaxy, twilight princess, uncharted, god of war, and ninja gaiden 2. i focused mainly on games coming out to help grant u a greater picture on how it seems the really good upcoming games are not going 2 pc

Wow, so you think that coming up with a list of 12 games not coming out for PC (although 2 of them are) means that you have a valid argument? Intelligent. :roll:

I'll tell you this for free, there are alot more PC exclusive titles than there are console exclusives. Plus there's alot of unnoficial mods and patches not available for consoles.

it is dying. only the best of the best make pc games that sell (valve, blizzard, and recently crytek). halo 3, FF, mgs4, gta4, fallout 3, resistance 2, gears of war 2, mario galaxy, twilight princess, uncharted, god of war, and ninja gaiden 2. i focused mainly on games coming out to help grant u a greater picture on how it seems the really good upcoming games are not going 2 pc

Uncharted and Ninja Gaiden - Never played them and don't know much about them, can't comment.

Halo 3 - Almost no one who owns a PC cares about Halo. Why? Because we have Half Life 2, Crysis, Stalker and many other superior FPS's.

Final Fantasy and God of War - Fair enough, i'd like to see these on the PC.

MGS4 - Never cared for MGS.

GTAIV, Fallout 3, Gears of War 2 - Will all come to PC.

Mario Galaxy and Twilight Princess - Don't care for Mario or Zelda, and neither do the majority of PC gamers.

Resistance 2 - Same reasons as Halo, we have better alternatives.

Anyone who liked Galactic Civilizations II is gonna s**t themselves when they see how freakin awesome the new expansion is. Seriously, I have been playin the beta since it first started and the last two patches, which were almost entirely AI improvements, have taken the game to a whole new plateau of awesome.

Anyone who liked Galactic Civilizations II is gonna s**t themselves when they see how freakin awesome the new expansion is. Seriously, I have been playin the beta since it first started and the last two patches, which were almost entirely AI improvements, have taken the game to a whole new plateau of awesome.

Google'ing it now..

PC ftw all the way
all my m8s basicly play 360 and a few have PS3s (they get a lot of flaming) and i am basicly the only pc gamer after lots of flame about how having a presege mode or w/e is better than staying at 55 and owning up with all the good guns i had to buy ****ing shadowrun to prove pc owns 360. after showing not only were my graphics better than theres but also that i had more control and therefore more kills than them the shop whr i bought it said sorry you cant trade that in as its a pc game.... so im stuck with a piece of **** game with elves and guns.
neway back to the point i was going to make WE NEED CROSS PLATFORM GAMES TO SHOW HOW GOOD PCS REALLY ARE!

*edit*also on PC we can see what games are really good as the platform has been going so long we can see how good the games that are out now compare to those of last decade of more (notice how half life 1 still rates higher than nearly all new releases?)*edit*

PC ftw all the way
all my m8s basicly play 360 and a few have PS3s (they get a lot of flaming) and i am basicly the only pc gamer after lots of flame about how having a presege mode or w/e is better than staying at 55 and owning up with all the good guns i had to buy ****ing shadowrun to prove pc owns 360. after showing not only were my graphics better than theres but also that i had more control and therefore more kills than them the shop whr i bought it said sorry you cant trade that in as its a pc game.... so im stuck with a piece of **** game with elves and guns.
neway back to the point i was going to make WE NEED CROSS PLATFORM GAMES TO SHOW HOW GOOD PCS REALLY ARE!

*edit*also on PC we can see what games are really good as the platform has been going so long we can see how good the games that are out now compare to those of last decade of more (notice how half life 1 still rates higher than nearly all new releases?)*edit*

Amen to that brother! Amen!

Ah there is no worries, PC Gaming isn't dieing. If anything, it is being reborn on the consoles that's all. I don't even consider gaming consoles REAL gaming consoles anymore since they reek of PC companies. ATI/AMD, Nvidia, IBM, etc. All consoles are being built around PC hardware. Don't be surprised if you see Microsofts next console have an Intel based CPU in it. Sony has to much pride to use a CPU other than there own so I wouldn't count them.

-LatinLegacy

It seems like most peoples problems with the PC Gaming is that it is so expensive. Well....It might be expensive but I think its totally worth it. The graphic's in a computer make me never want to play a console because I like my keyboard and mouse. Even Call Of Duty 4, which was a brilliant game and beautiful on the console's wasn't as great as it was on the computer. And with PC gaming there ARE ways of playing games you love without paying so much. Or you can download a free game like Rappelz, or Exteel that while their graphics are not the greatest (Though they are not shit either) They are still pretty fun and as I said, FREE. While most Console's its almost impossible to get a free (full length) game.

It's the same every time a new console comes around- The people with the consoles insist that PC gaming is dead. PC gaming might be a bit more expensive, but face it, if you could get all the systems and a good gaming PC you wouldn't hate. Everyone is just trying to validate their purchases by making fun of the competition. PC gaming isn'tgoing anywhere, and you can just accept that.

People have been saying PC gaming is dying for YEARS, as long as there's computers there's gonna be PC gaming.

Plus everyone moves back to PC in the few year gap in between every new console.

List of PC game releases full of win that consoles won't have (with a few exceptions):

Starcraft 2
STALKER : Clear Sky
Red Alert 3
Left4dead (360, meh, valve)
Half life 2 : Episode 3
Alan Wake
Company of Heroes series
Far Cry 2 (yes, 360 port, meh, still a PC game)
Portal 2
Spore
Mafia 2
Deus Ex 3
Tiberium
Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning
Fallout 3

Most of these are gonna be better than any upcoming console release tbh, cept for Little Big Planet of course..
Also, PC has free DLC. And mucho indie devs for mods and free games and whatnot.

Crytek suck btw. PC gaming will never die.

Ah there is no worries, PC Gaming isn't dieing. If anything, it is being reborn on the consoles that's all. I don't even consider gaming consoles REAL gaming consoles anymore since they reek of PC companies. ATI/AMD, Nvidia, IBM, etc. All consoles are being built around PC hardware. Don't be surprised if you see Microsofts next console have an Intel based CPU in it. Sony has to much pride to use a CPU other than there own so I wouldn't count them.

-LatinLegacy

:lol:
Considering the original Xbox was an Intel P3 then no surprise there.
XBOX - CPU: 733 MHz Intel Pentium III-based Mobile Celeron - wikipedia
Oh and Sony's pride (IBM designed Cell processor) seems to have cost them quite a bit; both in the wallet and in market share.

:lol:
Considering the original Xbox was an Intel P3 then no surprise there.
XBOX - CPU: 733 MHz Intel Pentium III-based Mobile Celeron - wikipedia
Oh and Sony's pride (IBM designed Cell processor) seems to have cost them quite a bit; both in the wallet and in market share.

Very true. Sony does have to much pride to use an Intel & AMD CPU I should of said. I still find it funny that they went with IBM to help design there processor. IBM should stick to chipsets =P. I'm more interested to see what Microsoft will do than sony however. I was stumped when they went with a Power PC based arc & an ATI GPU. Although the ATi GPU was very good due to the simultaneous support of AA & HDR while being built from the ground up. It can be certain they will go with an Intel designed CPU once again. Going with an AMD GPU will most certainly end up being going with an AMD CPU as well. Which I might cringe to depending on how it ends up.

-LatinLegacy

does ne1 else see a ati logo hiding in the corner of ur wii? lol

Yep. I could imagine the bitch fest that went on when Nintendo execs was like "THE LOGO MUST BE GRAY! " While ATI's logo has always been red no matter where it was put on. Well, then again, it isn't red on those Olevia HDTV's either=P. It will be the last time though since it's all AMD now.

-LatinLegacy

People have been saying PC gaming is dying for YEARS, as long as there's computers there's gonna be PC gaming.

PC gaming isn't dead and you are right it wont die until the PC itself is obsolete. I don't like thinking that the PC is bad, but it seems that its not as worth it as it once was. The golden age of PC gaming has ended and it seems that, at least for the next few years before Half Life 2:ep3 comes out its not going to get better. And if I am totally honest I think that companies like Valve/Crytech/Bathesda/Blizzard (the powerhouses of PC gaming) are starting to look to the consoles as the new generation of PC gaming that is more accessible. Its unfortunate, but none of them are going to ignore the 20,000,000+ owners of a PS3/Xbox. As for the list that you gave of awesome games, I don't know if its the same with anyone else, but the ones that I am looking forward to the most are Far Cry, Portal 2, Half Life2:ep3, Fallout3, Starcraft 2, and Warhammer. The key similarities are that they are all going to be on a console (obvious exceptions). The PC powerhouses seem to be leaning on the consoles to pay for the brilliant productions on PC. PC gaming isn't dead, it just seems that Console gaming is helping it to breathe

hey if u wanna go for install base nothink in the world beats pc

you used one to type this bloody post

and with intergrated graphics cards being able to play better and better games

peaple play flash browser games during work not thier consels but no one classes them as games for some reason

they just need to change thier focus

i will give you the way pc gaming is going is changing

but the whole games industry is the WII is the most popular consel who the **** saw that coming


IT anit dieing it is Evolving simple as

and i would copy out all the great games to pc this year but i'm lazy and can't be bother go on amazon and play.com and click on coming soon to pc oh mother i can't wait

it is actually the other way round the consels now (bar wii) are just glorified pcs

and valve going towards the consels yeh sure tell me when the orange box is anywhere near as good as it is on pc on a Console

and well no one knows how well pc gaming is going because no one tracks / realses how many games they've sold ( like on steam )


yeh pc games are going to consels of course everyone wants to make money

for some reason now a gaming platform is judged by how many exclusives it has so peaple can justify buying on thing over and other but for me i don't care if it an exulsive all i care about is that it has good games and no one can say the pc doesn't for me the more peaple who can paly a good game the better i don't want bragging rights i want good games

List of PC game releases full of win that consoles won't have (with a few exceptions):

Starcraft 2 Who doesnt want it?
STALKER : Clear Sky Actually, I want to play the original, and this definately draws me in.
Red Alert 3 Ill play the beta, but the Red Alert world never did it for me like the Tiberium one.
Left4dead (360, meh, valve) Im in already... though I wish they had gone crossplatform here.
Half life 2 : Episode 3 Let me finish the rest of Half-Life, then we will talk.
Alan Wake So far, Im in.
Company of Heroes series So far, Im out.
Far Cry 2 (yes, 360 port, meh, still a PC game) That should take a while, concidering they havent figured out how to port Crysis yet. But Im not hyped for this one.
Portal 2 Dangerous ground, but Im interested.
Spore Im interested
Mafia 2 NOT interested
Deus Ex 3 Might as well be the second comming right now... seriously, I want more Deus Ex THAT badly.
Tiberium I dont think a trailer has drawn me in so majorly since the Undying!
Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning Not opening day, but Im in.
Fallout 3 MIGHT be in opening day.

All in all though. I have to agree the system is evolving, as it always does... allow me to make a prediction or two on the Windows platform...

1) PC discs are going the way of the dinosaur. They are old, take a while to install, and often are needed to boot the game. The new thing is downloading... which if done right (like steam) means you can get to your game anywhere at any time, and installed all you like.... your price is to be logged in while playing (the first time). While this annoyed me at first, Ive honestly converted for the whole discless install anywhere to anything. It's damn nice and addicting! I doubt Im the only one, and seeing Valve, Stardock, Direct2Drive, Telltale Games, and SEVERAL others all use similar stores/installings.... I expect this will only continue. (Direct2Drive will be the exception that most likely drops out under Steam's pressure, though if you ask me.)

and 2) Next or the generation after, I do believe, the discs we DO use to play on the PC, will be for the Microsoft console. Iether they will build in the adpatations needed to that version of Windows or the hardware will match enough in the console, but this is what I think MS is trying to do... in essence merging their audience into the single biggest one.

hey if u wanna go for install base nothink in the world beats pc...

yeah the PC has a substantial install base, how much can you actually count though? how many people have a PC capable of playing a modern game? Sure just about any PC will play The Sims, or WoW but how many people have one that will play Oblivion? I know that I am using a PC for this post, but the last game that I was able to play at a reasonable frame rate was Civilization 4, and thats because FPS arent really an issue in Civ games.

How much do you think the average PC costs? because an integrated graphics card is normally capabe of using Photoshop at most. I dont count Flash games because on the whole they are not 'pay to play games'. and before you get started; I know that some of the best games have been free (N for instance was pretty much my most played game for a long time). You arent 'Gaming' if you are supposed to be working.

No one thought the Wii was going to be huge, I remember a gaming magazine running an article titled 'Revolution; the death of Nentindo'. I dont know if you think that because Valve dont release their data it could suggest that PC is doing well, because I think thats a bit naive tbh. If the PC was doing well it would be through Valve and they would be shouting it from the rooftops.

I will even concede that its evolving, I will even concede that we shouldnt really look at exclusive games when we're concering the PC but when I can get a game to play on a console for £179, why should I pay £1,200 for a PC that wont even run it at full spec in six months. Even if Orange Box runs better on a gaming PC, it wont run better on an average PC, and certainly not on a PC used for flash gaming. The consoles are pretty much glorified PCs, no one is disputing that, but they are so much cheaper than a PC. I judge a console on how much it costs, be it a PC a PS3 or a '360, and is it worth it. Trust me, if I didnt need to pay through the teeth for AutoCAD ability I would not have bought my rig that just happens to be able to play games. Cost out your PC, and see how many PS3s you could have bought. There is the answer to why the PC isnt as brilliant as you guys seem to think. its essentially 4 or 5 times more expensive for mildly better graphics and ten frames per second more.

Totally with you on the 'the more people can play a great game the better' aspect though.

The only thing that's gonna die in the near future is removable storage devices, CD's, DVD's, and even Blu-Ray. Which i predict will be the last generation of mass marketed discs.

Everything is becoming downloadable. Why? It's cheaper, no material cost. Often easier and because of the rising download speeds it is becoming faster than ever.

IMO, the PC will be the most important piece of technology in people's homes within the next 10 years. It will become so advanced that it will most proablly replace TV's and consoles because it can do everything they can already plus much more, why have lots of different pieces of equiptment (DVD players, console, CD Players, Television Screens) when already the computer can do all of this, and as newer and more user friendly technology begins to arrive (Touchscreen) it will only make the PC more and more the most important part of people's homes. Able to control everything from the temperature of the living room to how bright the lights are.

The only thing that's gonna die in the near future is removable storage devices, CD's, DVD's, and even Blu-Ray. Which i predict will be the last generation of mass marketed discs.

Everything is becoming downloadable. Why? It's cheaper, no material cost. Often easier and because of the rising download speeds it is becoming faster than ever.

IMO, the PC will be the most important piece of technology in people's homes within the next 10 years. It will become so advanced that it will most proablly replace TV's and consoles because it can do everything they can already plus much more, why have lots of different pieces of equiptment (DVD players, console, CD Players, Television Screens) when already the computer can do all of this, and as newer and more user friendly technology begins to arrive (Touchscreen) it will only make the PC more and more the most important part of people's homes. Able to control everything from the temperature of the living room to how bright the lights are.

TV will definetley not die, and neither will a standard formatted disc, or some piece of hardware. There are still more technophobes than there are technically competants. The PC will Start to dominate, but so long as my parents are alive, the TV will exist and will always be the hub of the home entertainment, it is more likeley that the computer will evolve into a second TV than completley take over. My Grandmother still has VHS fgs.

I've seen the tech that you are talkin about that will make your home a paradise from a computer, but its not really possible to do it yet because, frankly, you cant just put it into a house, you need to build a house around the system. I cant see enough new houses being built during the recession to fuel your dream. Its a sweet-assed dream though.

TV will definetley not die, and neither will a standard formatted disc, or some piece of hardware. There are still more technophobes than there are technically competants. The PC will Start to dominate, but so long as my parents are alive, the TV will exist and will always be the hub of the home entertainment, it is more likeley that the computer will evolve into a second TV than completley take over. My Grandmother still has VHS fgs.


True, but it's suprising how quickly the technophobes are vanishing. Of the eight people in my office, six of them claim to know nothing about computers. However, five of them have set up a wireless network to stream video files on their PC across to their TV, and four of them have configured their PC to act as a TIVO. The average standard of technical ability is increasing drmatically, in some areas at least.

Also, here's something that bothers me: Who the hell is paying £1000+ on a PC for gaming? Sure, if you really need that bleeding edge performance, go for it, but I think that's probably less that 5% of even serious PC gamers. The price drop in components after six months means you can build or buy a PC quite capable of running all modern games for around £600, even if you replace everything. I've got an early last gen video card and one of the older dual core processors about. I can run Supreme Commander and Crysis quite happily, thank you. Where did this myth come from that any gaming PC must cost £1500? Even so, you make a lot of that money back over time because PC games are notably cheaper.

Of course, the power of the PC is in its diversity. There are just so many things you can do with the thing, even just in terms of gaming. Also, as a new developer, you don't have to cough up a share of the profits to Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo. By distributing over the Internet you can also keep out the big publishing houses that will demand you next product be another FPS.
If PC gaming does start to fail, it's bad news for the industry as there'll be no-where else for new developers to get started.

But yes, online distribution is very much the way forward. Valve got it started, and others are taking up the challenge. The industry likes it because it eliminated piracy. I like it because I don't have to search for the right disk, and I get the game when I need it, and I can get it again as often as I need, wherever I need.

Though here's an interesting model that I'm currently enjoying:

www.metaboli.co.uk (http://www.metaboli.co.uk)

I'd love to see this as the future. I know you guys have Gametap, but I find it's range seems pretty crappy compared to Metaboli myself.

True, but it's suprising how quickly the technophobes are vanishing...

Good retort. Just wondering what it is that you actually do in your office, and the average age of the people in there. Its not even that technophobes are vanishing; the fact that the people you work with still consider themselves one is really what makes them one. A wifi network is about the least complicated thing in the world to set up, particularly compared with a computer that will dim your lights/cool your beer/foliate you if you asked it.

I do agree that Downloading is the way forward, not just because its dirt cheap in comparison, but because it helps beat piracy.

I said that my PC had cost upwards of £1000, and stated that I needed that kind of coinage dropped because I am going to be running CAD/XNA/Unreal editors at the same time (complicated Uni course). I was making the point that the Xbox and the PS3 come out of the box capable of playing every game at the maximum system performance, and is still 1/3 of the price of a PC that is able to play at medium performance.

As for keeping the costs down through online distribution, I was thinking that the only way you are keeping them down is because you dont have the same distribution methods, but you still have the guys in the suits taking all your money. Be it from Valve, or another one of the online distributing stores. I dont know if you noticed but EA and Activision have happily dipped their hands into the PC market too. You still need to pay all the big corporations and execs over the internet. You just dont have to pay some bumpy faced teen to sell it for you in Gamestop.

Does it bother you when you go into Crysis and have to select DX9 version? and still have to turn down the settings? Also could you play the game on release date with that card, or have to wait for a patch/a modder to fix it for you?

I was making the point that the Xbox and the PS3 come out of the box capable of playing every game at the maximum system performance, and is still 1/3 of the price of a PC that is able to play at medium performance.

Their top is often really good, but the same game almost always looks better on the PC's top then the console's top. This generation is closer, but still....

As for keeping the costs down through online distribution, I was thinking that the only way you are keeping them down is because you dont have the same distribution methods, but you still have the guys in the suits taking all your money. Be it from Valve, or another one of the online distributing stores. I dont know if you noticed but EA and Activision have happily dipped their hands into the PC market too. You still need to pay all the big corporations and execs over the internet. You just dont have to pay some bumpy faced teen to sell it for you in Gamestop.

One less middleman..... well unless you talk about Steam. But then, Steam is attempting (and may well become at the rate they are going) an XBL for the PC.

Does it bother you when you go into Crysis and have to select DX9 version? and still have to turn down the settings? Also could you play the game on release date with that card, or have to wait for a patch/a modder to fix it for you?

Right now? I would say an EARLY last gen card (8200-8400) would run anything comming up right out of the box..... well almost. (Timeshift was POS coding... NEVER should a game demand beta drivers to work!) The only issue I can see is if you didnt get enough video RAM on the thing... seriously, that's the difference between medium and high in Bioshock on a 7000 series... and is a BIG part (if not all) between low and medium on Crysis (and trust me... Crysis looks insane AND liquid smooth at that point on an 8600... but I want smooth framerate before looks).

Their top is often really good, but the same game almost always looks better on the PC's top then the console's top. This generation is closer, but still....

a compromise? The current generations are very close to PCs but it seems that most of the people who play games on a PC don't mind a slight extra starting cost in exchange for a longer term saving on games prices. So a console seems to be a plug and play aspect whereas a PC is likely to take a little bit of time and tweaking before you get what you want.

I know what you mean about wanting more frames, I was shocked that Bioshock on the Xbox allowed me to sacrifice some eye-candy for eye-functionality

I think I'm going to have to buy a title on '360 and PC and see what I think, because you all seem to think that I will notice a difference.

Good retort. Just wondering what it is that you actually do in your office, and the average age of the people in there. Its not even that technophobes are vanishing; the fact that the people you work with still consider themselves one is really what makes them one. A wifi network is about the least complicated thing in the world to set up, particularly compared with a computer that will dim your lights/cool your beer/foliate you if you asked it.

HR processing, so not tech heavy. Youngest is myself at 28. Oldest I'd peg at 52, though it's impolite to ask. :) Personally I don't think there is much of a difference in complexity. If the PC is pre-configured when you buy it for gaming, there's very little else that needs to be done. Keep the firewalls up, let the pre-scheduled antivirus run now and then, and install what the game asks for, and you'll be OK. If you fiddle around with it, yes you'll have problems. But then posibly you shouldn't be fiddling with it if you don't know what you're doing. :)

I said that my PC had cost upwards of £1000, and stated that I needed that kind of coinage dropped because I am going to be running CAD/XNA/Unreal editors at the same time (complicated Uni course). I was making the point that the Xbox and the PS3 come out of the box capable of playing every game at the maximum system performance, and is still 1/3 of the price of a PC that is able to play at medium performance.

Ah, bought a machine like that back in my uni days, 10 years ago. While I certainly did need it then, it was still annoying to watch it (and by association a big chunk of my student loan) drop like a rock in value over the next six months. Can't be helped though, so my condolences. :)

As for keeping the costs down through online distribution, I was thinking that the only way you are keeping them down is because you dont have the same distribution methods, but you still have the guys in the suits taking all your money. Be it from Valve, or another one of the online distributing stores. I dont know if you noticed but EA and Activision have happily dipped their hands into the PC market too. You still need to pay all the big corporations and execs over the internet. You just dont have to pay some bumpy faced teen to sell it for you in Gamestop.

Not necessarily. Internet distribution means you don't need to have a publisher who will physically manufacture your game, ship it all over the country and make sure that Gamestop know it is the next big thing. That's a big saving if you're only expecting to sell a few thousand copies. OK, you're going to have to pay for bandwidth and probably some advertising, but it's much more scalable for a small company to start with. Take a look at Stardock for an example.

Does it bother you when you go into Crysis and have to select DX9 version? and still have to turn down the settings?

Nope. It still looks damned pretty as is, and will, once I do get around to upgrading, look prettier. I regard maximum graphics as a nice option for those that do have a rig that'll handle it. As long as developers allow things to be dialed down for those that don't have the best gear in the world, I'll buy their products. However you can't, for example, dial down the graphics on Mass Effect and play it on the original XBox. :)

Also could you play the game on release date with that card, or have to wait for a patch/a modder to fix it for you?

Worked first time, no problems. The biggest problem I've had with installing a recent piece of software was installing Bioshock, which AVG kept identifying as a virus. Annoying, but that was fixed in an AVG patch quite quickly.

Ah, bought a machine like that back in my uni days, 10 years ago. While I certainly did need it then, it was still annoying to watch it (and by association a big chunk of my student loan) drop like a rock in value over the next six months. Can't be helped though, so my condolences. :)

I ordered it a few weeks ago, it hasnt even arrived and a better graphics card has been dropped in price already. Interesting post.