Okay you may remember a thread i started forever ago about not being able to get xbox live... well i convinced my parents to allow me to write a proposal of things i am willing to do to get it, they are firm christians so number 1. on the list is

1. no more M rated games
2. a limit of some sort on playing time

any more suggestions

wow #1 is really going to limit what games you get on the 360. Anyway sorry but I do not have any tips.
Wait your 18? and you can't play M rated game because of your parents? Wow that really sucks

If he lives in their house he could be 40 and still have to live by their rules.

But seriously dude, what are you going to play on live if M games are off limits? Sure there are plenty of good non M games but enough to justify paying for live?

Instead of that I'd offer up paying for the internet service or some way to show that these games aren't corrupting you (assuming that's what their concern is).

Get job.
Get apartment.
Play whatever you want.
Pay rent :(

lol... man there is alot of hate.
1. i'm in high school
2. I'm going to go to college close by so i want to live at home for about a year longer
3. in the thing i'm going to say I will buy no more M rated games! see loophole

That won't piss off your folks:huh:

Here are some things you may want to add to the list.
1. Only use it to play with friends
2. It will not get in the way of other things(school, work, ect.)

If I think of more I will post them.

Challenge them to a dual! Tell them if you can watch the website below longer than they can they will have to lay off. In all seriousness though without being able to buy M games Live is a bit useless. You and I both know there will be some killer M games coming out. My advice is live without Xbox live until you are out of the house, as tough as that sounds.

http://lostcontemplations.com/Auax/Caramel/Caramel.html

Cant you get a fairly mild M rated game, then sit down and play it with one of your folks to show them what they are really like.

If you actually get them to see what you are playing, they might change their minds (and possibly join Hardcore Christian Gamers).

Cant you get a fairly mild M rated game, then sit down and play it with one of your folks to show them what they are really like.

If you actually get them to see what you are playing, they might change their minds (and possibly join Hardcore Christian Gamers).

I could put that as one of the specifications... also i can rent... borrow m rated games if i use the loophole

http://lostcontemplations.com/Auax/Caramel/Caramel.html

...I hate you so much right now...my eyes!!!!!!

You can also buy M Rated games and paste this on the cover:
http://www.mobygames.com/images/i/29/48/342098.gif

But seriously, just say you'll make up for all the gaming you do, like "If you let me game for 3 hours straight, I'll do the dishes." or something like that.

Edit: Hollowcow: Damn you !! *twitch* *twitch*

...I hate you so much right now...my eyes!!!!!!

what is it???? private message

I could put that as one of the specifications... also i can rent... borrow m rated games if i use the loophole

If you are trying to win the respect of your parents, I really wouldn't try to do this.

Its nothing dirty. I wouldn't post anything like that.

If you are trying to win the respect of your parents, I really wouldn't try to do this.

Yes i know... however, i will only use this loop hole for extreame cases... like Mass effect 2... GTA IV, of course the contract probably won't be in effect by when that comes out

anyways I was hoping someone else who had to convince their parents to get xbox live could give me some ideas...

How about pay for it yourself?
It's 40 quid in the UK, so I would say it would have a 10 quid markdown in the US...

$70? Surely you could stretch to that...

So let me get this straight... you're an 18 yr old adult living with your parents and you're asking anonymous internet forum posters to help you outwit them?

I'm thinking you're already doomed, man... :lol:

Here is one more tip for your proposal, only play on Live when they are around.

This is just a tip if your parents do allow you to get Live, don't go out buying a years subscription right away because they may change their mind a few months after if they don't think you are following the guidelines that you're proposing.

How about pay for it yourself?
It's 40 quid in the UK, so I would say it would have a 10 quid markdown in the US...

$70? Surely you could stretch to that...

He doesn't need his parents to buy Live, they just don't want it in the house.

So let me get this straight... you're an 18 yr old adult living with your parents and you're asking anonymous internet forum posters to help you outwit them?

I'm thinking you're already doomed, man... :lol:

LOL!!!! thanks

the contract thing is almost complete i was just looking for some extra advice... besides 17 listeners must have some collective knowledge

You'd be wrong. We just **** with people all day.

Here's an idea: get a 12 month subscription card from your local retailer, hook the ethernet up to the internet, and don't tell your parents.

Replace no M-rate games with no mic. Missing COD4 would be too much of a shame.

Here's an idea: get a 12 month subscription card from your local retailer, hook the ethernet up to the internet, and don't tell your parents.

That would also be a suitable course of action.

Yes i know... however, i will only use this loop hole for extreame cases... like Mass effect 2... GTA IV, of course the contract probably won't be in effect by when that comes out

anyways I was hoping someone else who had to convince their parents to get xbox live could give me some ideas...

Being a parent myself I'll tell you this will likely still piss them off, just because you see it as extreme cases doesn't mean they will too. You'd be entering an agreement with them with a built in loophole that, frankly, will only work if they don't catch you breaking the agreement. Why bother then, when they figure out what you've done they'll probably be insulted that you tried to pull one over on them.

If you want to come to an agreement with them sit down and talk to them, discuss why they don't want you playing these games and figure out how to show them they don't need to worry. Maybe you can start with a heavy limit and after a month or two if there is no reason for them to worry, you can get more freedom.

If you want to be treated like an adult then act like one, don't go sneaking around like some video game legal mastermind.

You ain't no Matlock, you know.

What is it about Live that they don't like? Is it the potential for strangers cussing up a storm? Point out there are (and actually use) the feature that only lets you voice chat with folks on your friends list. I didn't have to go through an agreement with my parents to come to this conclusion, I did it for my own sanity. Wide-open Xbox Live isn't all it's cracked up to be... friends-only chat with a selective friends list is much better.

Here's an idea: get a 12 month subscription card from your local retailer, hook the ethernet up to the internet, and don't tell your parents.

That's a really bad idea. Blatant disobedience isn't exactly going to endear him to their hearts. I agree with Rothbart...his is the best idea I've read so far on this page.

Jackass parents shouldn't be obeyed.

Here's an idea: get a 12 month subscription card from your local retailer, hook the ethernet up to the internet, and don't tell your parents.

Very BAD idea!!!!!!!!!!

Being a parent myself I'll tell you this will likely still piss them off, just because you see it as extreme cases doesn't mean they will too. You'd be entering an agreement with them with a built in loophole that, frankly, will only work if they don't catch you breaking the agreement. Why bother then, when they figure out what you've done they'll probably be insulted that you tried to pull one over on them.

If you want to come to an agreement with them sit down and talk to them, discuss why they don't want you playing these games and figure out how to show them they don't need to worry. Maybe you can start with a heavy limit and after a month or two if there is no reason for them to worry, you can get more freedom.

If you want to be treated like an adult then act like one, don't go sneaking around like some video game legal mastermind.

You ain't no Matlock, you know.

you is right, 1st draft changed
very good idea... plus i already have
1. COD4
2. Halo 3
3. Assassin's creed
4. Mass effect
5. Gears of War (although it's for sale)
so i'm set on the M games category for a while

What is it about Live that they don't like? Is it the potential for strangers cussing up a storm? Point out there are (and actually use) the feature that only lets you voice chat with folks on your friends list. I didn't have to go through an agreement with my parents to come to this conclusion, I did it for my own sanity. Wide-open Xbox Live isn't all it's cracked up to be... friends-only chat with a selective friends list is much better.

That is a good one i could easily use that in my contract

Jackass parents shouldn't be obeyed.

DISAGREE... they are my parents and i live in their house so until i'm out i'm under their rules

o and your avatar is pretty creepy! once you watch it for a while

Yeah, I picked my avatar for the express reason that it creeps the hell out of me. See sig. For some reason or another it's called "llama!".

I thought this was about the final Level in Sonic Adventure on the Dreamcast, Makes more sense now.

I thought this was about the final Level in Sonic Adventure on the Dreamcast

nope

oi here is my proposal... any thoughts

I formally propose that on this the 21st of April 2008 am hereby allowed to play and use xbox live at home. In response to this freedom of I commit to:

1. No longer buy M rated games
2. Use xbox live features to protect myself and others from hearing all users and limit it to a selective friends list
3. Play xbox only after homework is completed.
4. Attend every water polo practice unless i am SERIOUSLY ill.

In addition my brothers will adhere to the following rules

1. When Parents say xbox is off... TURN IT OFF!
2. Play xbox live with only a selective group of friends such as people we know in real life
3. xbox after homework

This Contract goes into effect when all of the above mentioned parties as well as my parents sign below


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Are you being serious? They are making you sign a contract?
Im sorry but that is F***ing stupid, If it is honestly causing this much hassle there is no point....
If i was you i wouldnt bother, Its freaking pointless...
Whats Xbox live without voice chat ? you might aswell play bot matches on your own
But seriously it isnt even worth it....

Are you being serious? They are making you sign a contract?
Yes
Im sorry but that is F***ing stupid, If it is honestly causing this much hassle there is no point....
If i was you i wouldnt bother, Its freaking pointless...
Whats Xbox live without voice chat ? you might aswell play bot matches on your own
But seriously it isnt even worth it....

live without voice chat isn't bad just set it to friends only...

but i'm really not looking to defend my parents actions just looking for suggestions to get around the foolishness

I think you've got a good plan there, providing your brothers can keep up their end of the deal. It shows maturity, and consideration of what is more important than gaming as well as your parents wishes and concerns.

When negotiating it's a good idea to not expect all that you've asked for, your parents might have more concessions that they want you to make, don't get upset if they don't see your plan as fair as you see it, though based on the maturity you're showing here I suspect you'll be fine.

I think you've got a good plan there, providing your brothers can keep up their end of the deal. It shows maturity, and consideration of what is more important than gaming as well as your parents wishes and concerns.

When negotiating it's a good idea to not expect all that you've asked for, your parents might have more concessions that they want you to make, don't get upset if they don't see your plan as fair as you see it, though based on the maturity you're showing here I suspect you'll be fine.

Gracias!

I filled in how I perceived your "thought process" went when writing this in red... :lol:




I formally propose that on this the 21st of April 2008 am hereby allowed to play and use xbox live at home. In response to this freedom of I commit to:

1. No longer buy M rated games because I'm going to pay my friends to buy them for me
2. Use xbox live features to protect myself and others from hearing all users and limit it to a selective friends list And by "protect myself and others" I mean to viciously slay anyone that dares oppose me in a game
3. Play xbox only after homework is completed. meaning after I complete my homework tonight I'm free to play Xbox forever! Muhahahaha! :evil:
4. Attend every water polo practice unless i am SERIOUSLY ill. Oh noes, I feel seriously ill. I need to play some Xbox

In addition my brothers will adhere to the following rules

1. When Parents say xbox is off... TURN IT OFF! and five minutes later, turn it back on!
2. Play xbox live with only a selective group of friends such as people we know in real life and to increase my "known in real life" friends list, I will start hanging around with some real douchebags in real life so I can play openly on Xbox Live
3. xbox after homework notice I didn't say "homework is done" here... man I'm getting sloppy near the end of this...

This Contract goes into effect when all of the above mentioned parties as well as my parents sign below which is hopefully before they notice the massive loopholes in the contract


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^ bravo

I filled in how I perceived your "thought process" went when writing this in red... :lol:

HOLY SHIT!!! that was funny :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
but your point is taken i will modify the contract to have less loopholes

I'm a parent that has gotten a couple "carefully constructed" answers from my kids over the last year or so, which leads me to analyze exactly what was said more and more as they get older (and more importantly smarter!)

It stings getting outplayed by your kid... :lol:

Then again, I can use that tactic myself... we're not going <insert place they want to go> until after your room is clean.

*cleans room*

Can we go now?

No, I didn't say we'd go when your room was clean... I simply said we were not going until after your room was clean. Next year is after!

*defeated look on their face*

Then I laugh and take 'em. I guess in a way, I might be training them for this kinda crap... :huh:

I'm a parent that has gotten a couple "carefully constructed" answers from my kids over the last year or so, which leads me to analyze exactly what was said more and more as they get older (and more importantly smarter!)

It stings getting outplayed by your kid... :lol:

Then again, I can use that tactic myself... we're not going <insert place they want to go> until after your room is clean.

*cleans room*

Can we go now?

No, I didn't say we'd go when your room was clean... I simply said we were not going until after your room was clean. Next year is after!

*defeated look on their face*

Then I laugh and take 'em. I guess in a way, I might be training them for this kinda crap... :huh:

That's sick and wrong... although some day they will be way good lawers, not like he who must not be named

if you can't buy an m rated game, then maybe you could trade something for it...

say on playswitch?

That's sick and wrong... although some day they will be way good lawers, not like he who must not be named

JACK THOMPSON?:lipssealed:

:lipssealed::angry:

Don't mention M games.

my suggestions:
1. I will pay all the expenses for Live
2. I will review games to be sure they're appropriate for me before purchasing them, and I would like you to respect my choices unless you have a serious problem with the games I choose. (This allows you to still buy M games, but addresses the fact that some games are bad.)
3. I will mute any and all gamers who use foul language while playing
4. I will set my zone to "family" or "pro", so I will only be matched with players with sportsmanlike conduct
5. I will keep my grades up, and won't let gaming take away from time with the family or with friends
6. I will find Christian clans and groups to play with, so that I can work with people with the same beliefs as me
7. (Optional) I will share Christ with the gamers I play with, and be a strong witness for those I'm playing with
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do you like any of them?

number 3 seems dumb imo, if your wearing a headset how will you parents hear them? (unless that is your own rule then i take back what i said) the rest i guess are find. number 4 i changed zones before they do nothing my friends in recreation and till trash talkers and such.

scrap #7 don't make live a place for preaching, we're there to games not discuss religion.

It might even be against Live policy.

Rule number 1 you do not talk about live
Rule number 2 you do not talk about live
Rule number 3 you do not talk about fightclub...Er i mean live:P

Move Out

Here is my New draft

I formally propose that on this the 22nd of April am hereby allowed to play Xbox live at home using our high speed internet. In response to this freedom of I commit to:

1. Review games to be sure they're appropriate for myself before purchasing them.
2. Use Xbox live features to protect myself and others from hearing all users and limit it to a selective friends list
3. Play Xbox only after homework is completed.
4. Attend every water polo practice unless i am SERIOUSLY ill.
5. Pay all expenses for Xbox live
6. Will mute any and all gamers who use foul language while playing
7. Will keep my grades up, and won't let gaming take away from time with the family or with friends

In addition my brothers will adhere to the following rules

1. When Parents say Xbox is off... TURN IT OFF!
2. Play Xbox live with only a selective group of people like friends in real life and cousins
3. Keep Grades up!
4. Get Eagle
5. Play Xbox only after homework is completed

This Contract goes into effect when all of the above mentioned parties as well as my parents sign below

Again i am unable to move out at the current time because i'm still in high school and begin college soon so i don't want to move out for about another year

Looking good, I'd take #2 for your brothers off there, if they see that they might think the same should apply to you.

Looking good, I'd take #2 for your brothers off there, if they see that they might think the same should apply to you.

good point... I just want to thank everybody for helping out, thanks guys but keep the info comming every little bit helps

BANG! I got it!
Buy a wireless internet connector for your 360, get live (together, about $160-180), then you are sorted. Pawn off some old games, raise the money, buy them, and don't tell your parents you're using their internet...

Or...

MOVE OUT! (The extreme method...)

Or...

Ignore your parents and get it anyways... You're 18 now, so it doesn't really matter anyways....

BANG! I got it!
Buy a wireless internet connector for your 360, get live (together, about $160-180), then you are sorted. Pawn off some old games, raise the money, buy them, and don't tell your parents you're using their internet...

Or...

MOVE OUT! (The extreme method...)

Or...

Ignore your parents and get it anyways... You're 18 now, so it doesn't really matter anyways....

I have a wireless internet connector for my 360 and i have xbox live... however i respect my parents wishes enough to not play it, IN THEIR HOUSE, without permission

I have a wireless internet connector for my 360 and i have xbox live... however i respect my parents wishes enough to not play it, IN THEIR HOUSE, without permission

I find it funny how you can say that you respect your parents wishes to not play live without their permission, Yet your trying to find loopholes in your own contract to suit your needs even more..

I have a wireless internet connector for my 360 and i have xbox live... however i respect my parents wishes enough to not play it, IN THEIR HOUSE, without permission

So you're gonna hook your 360 and TV up out on the back porch? :lol:

I'd be careful when you go in for a bathroom break, you're likely to come back out and find your system's been jacked!

So you're gonna hook your 360 and TV up out on the back porch? :lol:

I'd be careful when you go in for a bathroom break, you're likely to come back out and find your system's been jacked!

:lol: not in my neighborhood!

I find it funny how you can say that you respect your parents wishes to not play live without their permission, Yet your trying to find loopholes in your own contract to suit your needs even more..

Partially true, i'm trying to find loopholes to fix them, however i do want to be able to get M games so i'm not sure if i should use a loophole and lose respect or not put it in and risk losing the best chance i've had at getting xbox live!

PS the reason i have an adaptor is i take my 360 to my friends house almost 2 a month and play live there... I just wish i could play it at home because moving a 360 back and forth isn't very much fun

PPS why'd you change my thread title???

PPS why'd you change my thread title???

You want the old one back? Your parents read the forums, don't they... :huh:

You want the old one back? Your parents read the forums, don't they... :huh:

Hahahaha. Chances are they probably do go through his browsing history and check it out.

You want the old one back? Your parents read the forums, don't they... :huh:

A show of Rothbart's awesome forum power...
I wondered what had happened to the thread title... It had changed, somehow...

Anyways...

I have a wireless internet connector for my 360 and i have xbox live... however i respect my parents wishes enough to not play it, IN THEIR HOUSE, without permission

Well, why don't you ask them? Me thinks that your parents will be being too harsh if they don't let you... :huh:

Here is my New draft



Again i am unable to move out at the current time because i'm still in high school and begin college soon so i don't want to move out for about another year

dude I love how you actually used quite a few of my suggestions.
I'm in a similar boat, although I have live, my parents are alot like yours.

[QUOTE=JJMAC383;100485]:lol: not in my neighborhood!


Well now i no it is out there i can take it, lol
i know where you live

I love the new title. :lol:

I'm actually respecting the mature route he took on this issue.

Man, I thought this was a new thread. :D Nice title change, ftw.

You want the old one back? Your parents read the forums, don't they... :huh:

Nah, it's all good i really don't care...

Hahahaha. Chances are they probably do go through his browsing history and check it out.

My parents... :lol::lol: they suck at computers my dad's not too shabby, plus i erase all 3 history records when i'm done surfing every single time! (I'm the administrator)


Well, why don't you ask them? Me thinks that your parents will be being too harsh if they don't let you... :huh:

Um... don't you think i'd have tried???? After almost a year of being told no i've been given this opportunity from my overly strict parents... I don't want to screw it up

dude I love how you actually used quite a few of my suggestions.
I'm in a similar boat, although I have live, my parents are alot like yours.

That's why this thread is here... I'm asking for some help, I'm not an idiot but I'm no Einstein either... and your suggestions were actually very helpful thanks

:lol: not in my neighborhood!


Well now i no it is out there i can take it, lol
i know where you live

Quiet you!!! Of course you know where i live we're next door neighbors go ahead try and take it... you'll be cursed with the RROD! right before the next major game just like halo 3 :w00t:

I'm actually respecting the mature route he took on this issue.

Gracias

no problem.

I'm actually respecting the mature route he took on this issue.

Hurray for Tinman! There's hope for you yet!

Hurray for Tinman! There's hope for you yet!

Sorry way off topic... but RatTail where did you get your avatar?

Actually, I had seen that pic on some site before I joined SG so I just typed "I'm in your base, killing your dudes." into google images. However, you can find pics just like mine at this site. (http://icanhascheezburger.com/)

If you don't like those, then just type into google!

Actually, I had seen that pic on some site before I joined SG so I just typed "I'm in your base, killing your dudes." into google images. However, you can find pics just like mine at this site. (http://icanhascheezburger.com/)

If you don't like those, then just type into google!

Good site! Thanks

ANYWAYS BACK TO TOPIC
any other suggestions before draft 3?

Hurray for Tinman! There's hope for you yet!

*does a double-take*

Wait, wha--? Hope for Tinman? :shocked:

:p

Draft 3
I formally propose that on this the 22nd of April am hereby allowed to play Xbox live at home using our high speed internet. In response to this freedom of I commit to:

1. Review games to be sure they're appropriate for myself before purchasing them.
2. Use Xbox live features to protect myself and others from hearing all users and limit it to a selective friends list
3. Play Xbox only after homework is completed.
4. Attend every water polo practice unless i am SERIOUSLY ill.
5. Pay all expenses for Xbox live
6. Will mute any and all gamers who use foul language while playing
7. Will keep my grades up, and won't let gaming take away from time with the family or with friends

In addition my brothers will adhere to the following rules

1. When Parents say Xbox is off... TURN IT OFF!
2. Keep Grades up!
3. Get Eagle
4. Play Xbox only after homework is completed

This Contract goes into effect when all of the above mentioned parties as well as my parents sign below

Thoughts?

Simply convince them that not all M rated games are bad. I'm in junior high, and they let me play halo and other non-sexual, non-grotuetous games if I convince them. Also, keep your gades up, and, when asked to turn off the xbox, just turn off the TV and not the 'box.

Get job.
Get apartment.
Play whatever you want.
Pay rent :(

Agreed, JJmac My friend, move out soon Or head to collage.

Agreed, JJmac My friend, move out soon Or head to collage.

i'd love to but i don't have the coin to move out for at least a year... (college)

Seriously any thoughts on helping me improve my draft not involving going behind my parents backs or moving out?

he lives close to college.

just help with the contract

the contract seems really good...I would accept.

the contract seems really good...I would accept.

thanks... I'm actually hoping for another Rothbart-like dissection...
*subtle* HINT HINT HINT

thanks... I'm actually hoping for another Rothbart-like dissection...
*subtle* HINT HINT HINT

Well... remember, you ask for it... :tongue:

I formally propose that on this the 22nd of April am hereby allowed to play Xbox live at home using our high speed internet. In response to this freedom of I commit to:

1. Review games to be sure they're appropriate for myself before purchasing them. You're a legal adult, I personally think it's a little odd to use that terminology. I wouldn't mince words, if you're doing it to appease your parents, say "you would deem appropriate" because I really doubt it will truthfully be you only playing games you thought were appropriate, otherwise, why the contract and/or trust issue?
2. Use Xbox live features to protect myself and others from hearing all users and limit it to a selective friends list Again here, I'm getting the "trust issue" vibe... if it's via headset, nobody else can hear them... if might be best to not even approach the "protect myself" angle insinuating there are dangers there to begin with...
3. Play Xbox only after homework is completed. should be a given, if they need to see this in writing, fine.
4. Attend every water polo practice unless i am SERIOUSLY ill.
5. Pay all expenses for Xbox liveshould be a given, if they need to see this in writing, fine.
6. Will mute any and all gamers who use foul language while playing Along with #2, I think this one might do more harm than good being brought up in the first place... you might as well say you'll agree to mute all child molesters that attempt to meet with you at <insert local gathering place> while I play <insert game you intend to buy> because it'll probably draw pictures in their mind that might've not been there before. The art of drawing up good contracts is to find a mutually agreeable middle ground, not give away the farm.
7. Will keep my grades up, and won't let gaming take away from time with the family or with friendsshould be a given, if they need to see this in writing, fine.

In addition my brothers will adhere to the following rules This is your contract. What happens if your brothers don't uphold these rules? I'd question whether you should be writing their behaviors and responsibilities into a contract you're drafting, but that's just me...

1. When Parents say Xbox is off... TURN IT OFF! should be a given, if they need to see this in writing, fine.
2. Keep Grades up! should be a given, if they need to see this in writing, fine.
3. Get Eagle
4. Play Xbox only after homework is completed should be a given, if they need to see this in writing, fine.

This Contract goes into effect when all of the above mentioned parties as well as my parents sign below I would draw out agreeable consequences as well if you're going to all this trouble.

Oh, pretty red colors... :grin:

lol most of the things your parents can change neways on xbox live family settings and agree to the contract AFTER you buy GTA 4 lol

Well... remember, you ask for it... :tongue:



Oh, pretty red colors... :grin:

wow, i thought i was almost done! guess not... I want to show that i'll be mature, and not be another dick on live but i don't want them to think there are a lot of them... any thoughts on doing that?

I am the only one who plays the really violent stuff... but my brothers like to watch me play games so there is where the too violent issue comes into play, I have Gears of war, COD4, Mass Effect, Dead Rising all hidden because i don't want them playing them because they are too young, (12 and 10) for that much violence and my parents agree... Which is why i don't have GTA I want it but i could only play it when i'm the only one home just like Dead Rising

lol most of the things your parents can change neways on xbox live family settings and agree to the contract AFTER you buy GTA 4 lol

psh... it's MY xbox 360 I am the parent account on it, (plus my parents are poor computer users)

Well, I haven't been on these forums in a while, but I remember your old thread. It's good to see they are considering it now.

well at least you dont have my parents. my mom took olive oil and baptised (like in bible land) my computers, tvs, xbox. she took all the games, gave them away, and tried to get rid of all my magic cards.

no i am not kidding.

luckily i knew the people she gave the games to, and i was able to protect my magic cards from her before she got to them.

in a couple weeks, im moving in with a friend, so, i wont have to worry about her anymore.

well at least you dont have my parents. my mom took olive oil and baptised (like in bible land) my computers, tvs, xbox. she took all the games, gave them away, and tried to get rid of all my magic cards.

no i am not kidding.

luckily i knew the people she gave the games to, and i was able to protect my magic cards from her before she got to them.

in a couple weeks, im moving in with a friend, so, i wont have to worry about her anymore.

GOOD CHOICE... she is crazy

Get Eagle

What's that? :confused:

EDIT: Wow, rothbart, that is a VERY in-depth review to his rules... :lol:

What's that? :confused:


Eagle is one of the highest ranks in the Boy Scouts of America program
It is very difficult to achieve and takes a lot of work...

Link (http://www.scouting.org/)

New draft
I formally propose that on this the 22nd of April am hereby allowed to play Xbox live at home using our high speed internet. In response to this freedom of I commit to:

1. Review games to be sure you'd deem them appropriate before purchasing them.
2. Set settings to hear only friends
3. Play Xbox only after homework is completed.
4. Attend every water polo practice unless i am SERIOUSLY ill.
5. Pay all expenses for Xbox live
6. Will keep my grades up, and won't let gaming take away from time with the family or with friends

If I don't uphold my end of the contract, Xbox live will be taken from me for one week.

This Contract goes into effect when all of the above mentioned parties as well as my parents sign below

that sounds solid....Rothbart?

Care to weigh in Rothbart, O wise mod? :lol:

Rent games or (not suggesting) find a way to download them.

How about you plant drugs on one of your parents, Then you tell them that you will tell the other parent about their drug use unless they persuade the other parent to let you have live and play M Rated Games...

That is a well thought out flawless plan and is bound to work
(May get you or your parents arrested but lets leave that till it happens :P)

.....move out.

.....move out.

man people don't listen

man people don't listen

He is trying to keep you mad. He not an idiot. He just mean.

mMSHOPkcVv8

This plan beats all others.

He is trying to keep you mad. He not an idiot. He just mean.

I'm not going to read nine pages of crap before I post. That's just the real answer. Your parents are obviously control freaks who seem fit to force their values and beliefs on you when it comes to stuff that they don't approve of. You are then left with three options.

1.) Disobey them

2.) Change their mind

3.) Compromise

4.) Move out

The first one you are most likely against. The second one is most often impossible with people who have such deep-set beliefs as your parents. I suggest that you don't compromise, as that will just make your parents feel as if they have even more control over your life than they do now. Therefore, the only option left is to move out.

mMSHOPkcVv8

This plan beats all others.

I love that movie.

I'm not going to read nine pages of crap before I post. That's just the real answer. Your parents are obviously control freaks who seem fit to force their values and beliefs on you when it comes to stuff that they don't approve of. You are then left with three options.

1.) Disobey them

2.) Change their mind

3.) Compromise

4.) Move out

The first one you are most likely against. The second one is most often impossible with people who have such deep-set beliefs as your parents. I suggest that you don't compromise, as that will just make your parents feel as if they have even more control over your life than they do now. Therefore, the only option left is to move out.

Gragh. I hate it when people who have only seen the extremists of a certain group assume the rest who are above-average in their commitment must follow the same behavior pattern. My parents are deep-set in their beliefs, but they have no problem with me playing *most* M-rated games. I have friends with parents like JJMAC's, and it seems to me that the common reason for their dislike of these games is the same as any uninformed parent: they're not informed, or are but badly. You have folks like Fox News and Jack Thompson to blame for this.

I'm not saying I agree with his parent's choice, but I think it's crossing the line to say he should "move out." As a famous SG podcast member once said..."It's a GAME."

Well, my ex-friend wackyiraqi77 told me that his parents felt that xbox live would "bring evil into the home", so I think that my assumptions of his parents are relatively in the ball park.

Well, my ex-friend wackyirawi77 told me that his parents felt that xbox live would "bring evil into the home", so I think that my assumptions of his parents are relatively in the ball park.

Yeah, now that's called ridiculous extremism. In JJMAC's parents' case, it's just ridiculous. Nothing really extreme about it. Although, I'm sure any parent would tell you that they don't exactly look kindly on people who question their parenting methods.

Yeah, now that's called ridiculous extremism. In JJMAC's parents' case, it's just ridiculous. Nothing really extreme about it. Although, I'm sure any parent would tell you that they don't exactly look kindly on people who question their parenting methods.

=unwillingness to accept conflicting ideas

Now, math dictates that there can be only one solution.

controlling parents unwillingness to accept other ideas+tyrade against xbox live+ he is 18=move the **** out.

=unwillingness to accept conflicting ideas

Now, math dictates that there can be only one solution.

controlling parents unwillingness to accept other ideas+tyrade against xbox live+ he is 18=move the **** out.

But his parents are willing to negotiate. How is that "unwilling to accept other ideas"?

How could he possibly negotiate? Trade hours of bible stufy for hours of xbox live? The only acceptable solution is being able to play m-rated games and xbox live, which doesn't seem possible, so whats the point?

He is trying to keep you mad. He not an idiot. He just mean.

I know... but this time it won't work it's people like hobo and Wacki that give forums a bad name

Well he can't move out because he goes to high school and he's gonna go to a college close by so he's still gonna live with his parents. So he has to compromise.

Some people do pay attention... gracias

Gragh. I hate it when people who have only seen the extremists of a certain group assume the rest who are above-average in their commitment must follow the same behavior pattern. My parents are deep-set in their beliefs, but they have no problem with me playing *most* M-rated games. I have friends with parents like JJMAC's, and it seems to me that the common reason for their dislike of these games is the same as any uninformed parent: they're not informed, or are but badly. You have folks like Fox News and Jack Thompson to blame for this.

I'm not saying I agree with his parent's choice, but I think it's crossing the line to say he should "move out." As a famous SG podcast member once said..."It's a GAME."

Thank you... this is exactly the problem, now of course the easy solution is too talk about it, but my dad used to be a gamer when he was way young like pong and pacman type... but he has since then closed his mind to it and refuses to listen so the contract is my only option left of course this is a compromise but i'm okay with that

Well, my ex-friend wackyiraqi77 told me that his parents felt that xbox live would "bring evil into the home", so I think that my assumptions of his parents are relatively in the ball park.

you know nothing of my parents... you are just trying to get me angry so if i yell once will you leave?

I acctually offered opinions and reasons, and I'm going off of what I know, so back down killer.

I know... but this time it won't work it's people like hobo and Wacki that give forums a bad name



Some people do pay attention... gracias



Thank you... this is exactly the problem, now of course the easy solution is too talk about it, but my dad used to be a gamer when he was way young like pong and pacman type... but he has since then closed his mind to it and refuses to listen so the contract is my only option left of course this is a compromise but i'm okay with that



you know nothing of my parents... you are just trying to get me angry so if i yell once will you leave?

Just ignore him and he'll go away. I left another forum site just before joining this one because all of the Hobo equivalents LOVED to single me out. Poor Ploogle... :(

DUDE!!! Have I said anything meant to insult him? I just said that he should move out based on previous knowledge and what I read. Stop knitpicking for things to get offended at.

DUDE!!! Have I said anything meant to insult him? I just said that he should move out based on previous knowledge and what I read. Stop knitpicking nitpicking for things to get offended at.

And your spelling sucks, too! :lol:

Jk, jk. Couldn't resist.

My friend's parrents literally shorted out his original Xbox with holy water attempting to purge the evil from their home. They did the same thing with a D&D rulebook a few years ago.

And your spelling sucks, too! :lol:

Jk, jk. Couldn't resist.



Really, because jk isn't a word methinks, so I guess yours sucks too.

My friend's parrents literally shorted out his original Xbox with holy water attempting to purge the evil from their home. They did the same thing with a D&D rulebook a few years ago.

Feel free to get offended at that though.

DUDE!!! Have I said anything meant to insult him? I just said that he should move out based on previous knowledge and what I read. Stop knitpicking for things to get offended at.

Sorry... i have taken a hostile attitude towards you and people like you because in most cases you are attempting to insult others, so i am grateful that you didn't try this time however don't get offended when i sense you creeping up on others about to insult them

Sorry... i have taken a hostile attitude towards you and people like you because in most cases you are attempting to insult others, so i am grateful that you didn't try this time however don't get offended when i sense you creeping up on others about to insult them

Now I think I should be offended.

Now I think I should be offended.

meh... you choose to be offended

My friend's parrents literally shorted out his original Xbox with holy water attempting to purge the evil from their home. They did the same thing with a D&D rulebook a few years ago.

For some reason, this reeks of BS, but I'll roll with it. That sound extreme to the point of non-believability.

For some reason, this reeks of BS, but I'll roll with it. That sound extreme to the point of non-believability.

He was obviously joking.

meh... you choose to be offended

Hense my former point.

wow..this aint a loophole hunt, this is a big giant arguement
and kewl sig hobohunter

He was obviously joking.



Hense my former point.

Your former point? I thought your prevailing (and only, really) points were that you're right and he should move out of the house.

I mean the one where the religious people were choosing to be offended instead of taking my statements for what they were.

For some reason, this reeks of BS, but I'll roll with it. That sound extreme to the point of non-believability.

Couldn't agree more...
But shouldn't you have said "roll in it?" As a comic member of the forums, I would have expected this from you... I'm disappointed...

As for the "Parental Contract Loophole", I had a small epiphany. Why the f**k should you listen to your parents about this? It's your 360, you're paying for Live, it has absolutely nothing to do with them, except for the fact that it's their internet. They can let some of it be used. You're a f**king man, for god's sakes! I say, (in as friendly way as possible, without meaning to insult), show that you have some balls and actually take a stand. Do what you wanna do. All this contract BS is ridiculous. Drawing up a contract to play games? WTF?! :shocked: This has stepped over the line, peed all over the line and erased the line into the ridiculous... Come on! What is up with this? Yeah, it's all well and good that you want to respect your parent's wishes, but you're 18. You are old enough to just go ahead and tell them to f**k off and tell them that you will do what you want... I say, "Go colonial on their asses and stand your ground!" THIS IS SPARTA!!! :lol:

Btw, if you get f**ked over because of this...

I had nothing to do with it... *looks shiftily from side to side*

I say, "Go colonial on their asses and stand your ground!" THIS IS SPARTA!!! :lol:

Btw, if you get f**ked over because of this...

I had nothing to do with it... *looks shiftily from side to side*

LOL that was a good rant! but i am still seeking contract help

I have to agree with cod and hobo just get live and when they confront you just grin widely, extend your middle finger and say "bite me" then continue playing. I can understand their concern for your brothers welfare that’s just good parenting but they need to loosen the chains at your age you shouldn’t be playing frikin water polo unless you actually want to, get a lock on the door to keep your bro's out and do what ever you want... and that includes porn and definitely includes Xbox live. I know you respect them too much too just tell them to f**k off I probably wouldn’t say that either but they are also showing a serious lack of respect towards you as a man when they treat you like a little kid. remember that they were not born as parents they have never done this before you are the first 18 year old they have ever had (I presume) it will be difficult for them to ever stop treating you like their baby so they need you to let them know when enough is enough by simply standing your ground. You don’t even need to be nasty just be blunt and tell them you feel responsible enough to make your own decisions and thank them for caring so much.

Oh and if you don’t fancy that, the contract seems pretty sound good luck keeping taps on your brothers tho:wink2::lol:

Wow dude, that sucks. Maybe you could sort of eke out the exact details of what the M-rated game should not have, like it can have violence and crude humour, but not sexual stuff...?

And if someone already suggested this, then ignore this post. :D You should at the very least be happy that you have a 360. :)

Ya, if you're 18 then you should know what is good for you by now. It sounds like your parents are having a hard time letting go. I understand that it is their house and you should follow their rules. However, I would just wait for the next couple of years and just move out. I'm sure Xbox live will still be there. All of this contract stuff is stupid. It's just going to create more problems. Especially if your parents find out if you used a loophole. Parents don't really play by the rules when it comes to legal technicalities. I say just play offline for a little longer.

i agree but dude if you were like 12 then id see the point in this but if you are 18 you shud either b living on ur own or you shud ve learnt that parents dont care bout loopholes if they say something then they will just take the live away from you when you use the loop holes

I know ive tried

I formally propose that on this the 22nd of April am hereby allowed to play Xbox live at home using our high speed internet. In response to this freedom of I commit to:

1. Review games to be sure you'd deem them appropriate before purchasing them.
2. Set settings to hear only friends
3. Play Xbox only after homework is completed.
4. Attend every water polo practice unless i am SERIOUSLY ill.
5. Pay all expenses for Xbox live
6. Will keep my grades up, and won't let gaming take away from time with the family or with friends

If I don't uphold my end of the contract, Xbox live will be taken from me for one week.

This Contract goes into effect when all of the above mentioned parties as well as my parents sign below

i'm honestly trying to sweeten the deal with some fluff, without giving away too much (I like Water Polo, I'm a 3.8 student on a 4.0 scale) i just need more fluff

Time to give up on the "contract" and just talk to your folks about what you want, what they are concerned about and how to avoid it.

Clearly this thread is tapped of any (new) useful input.

we're still waiting on one final visit from rothbart...

Nah, it's all good i really don't care...



My parents... :lol::lol: they suck at computers my dad's not too shabby, plus i erase all 3 history records when i'm done surfing every single time! (I'm the administrator)



Um... don't you think i'd have tried???? After almost a year of being told no i've been given this opportunity from my overly strict parents... I don't want to screw it up



That's why this thread is here... I'm asking for some help, I'm not an idiot but I'm no Einstein either... and your suggestions were actually very helpful thanks



Quiet you!!! Of course you know where i live we're next door neighbors go ahead try and take it... you'll be cursed with the RROD! right before the next major game just like halo 3 :w00t:



Gracias
You're welcome!

Don't, when arguing, tell your parents that theythemselves are stupid. Say that their opinion is stupid, or their contract is stupid. Never directly insult someone who controls your life. Unless you're 18. Then you just leave.

[Insert opinion that will be meant to help but will be taken the wrong way and get me screamed at here]

Just tell your folks to STFU or GTFO

Typical... :lol:

I said that? I don't remember saying that.

*Edit* I scanned the whole thread, read every post that I made, and it's true; I never said that.

[Insert opinion that will be meant to help but will be taken the wrong way and get me screamed at here]

LOL!!!!!
I said that? I don't remember saying that.

*Edit* I scanned the whole thread, read every post that I made, and it's true; I never said that.

you seriously read all 1,117 posts you've made?


Okay i handed my dad the starting point of the contract... i'll let you know how it's recieved


On the plus side this thread has recieved more views than any other i've started (at least i think so)

bummer man. I would do what ever I could to make them trust you.

grrrr... my dad is taking forever to revise the contract... i think he's delaying on purpose

you seriously read all 1,117 posts you've made?


no..... I read all of the ones sense I first posted in this thread. I didn't really know your situation or say anything about it before then. Just what wackyiraqi told me.

well, Good job making one!
It's almost like these forums won't be the same without having this thread going...
they grow up so fast...

yeah oh well.
Good luck, let us know how it goes.

still waiting for my dad to talk to me about it and everytime i bring it up he yells (i think he's broken i want a new one) ;)

still waiting for my dad to talk to me about it and everytime i bring it up he yells (i think he's broken i want a new one) ;)

hahahahaha

GRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! my dad left on a business trip without even looking at the contract!!!!!! he did it on purpose i know it

Patience is a virtue. Its going better then you thought it would at the beginning. The moment you leave him to it is when it will get done.

Maybe you should hold them hostage, that way when the SWAT team is trying to negotiate with you, you can ask for infinate XBL subscriptions.

not a bad idea... but the whole jail thing kinda creeps me out... plus infinite xbox live subscriptions doesn't guarantee xbox live access

Good point, back to the drawing board. And I was gonna do this on Saturday to get GTA 4, but it might not guarantee me being able to play GTA 4.

exactly think like a lawer... no offense lono! although if i intended offense i would've spelled your name with an a like this lano, but i do not intend offense and will probably regret posting this... o well, your awesome lono...

i'm trying to see if i can get lono to come help with the contract but i'm slightly afraid to ask directly

What is it about Live that they don't like? Is it the potential for strangers cussing up a storm? Point out there are (and actually use) the feature that only lets you voice chat with folks on your friends list. I didn't have to go through an agreement with my parents to come to this conclusion, I did it for my own sanity. Wide-open Xbox Live isn't all it's cracked up to be... friends-only chat with a selective friends list is much better.

:lol:Aren't you married and have your own kid? why are you talking about your parents?

My parents were strict until I was around 16. Before then I wasn't allowed to get some M rated games. The GTA series was one of them. I didn't care at the time because I wasn't that into GTA and I had plenty of other games to choose from.

Don't know what happened when I turned 16... They weren't as strict anymore...

I'm sure you can work something out since you are 18... just try harder. Going behind their backs with loopholes will just make them angrier at you and not trust you for further things

If your asking them every 10 minutes you obviously aren't showing your mature enough to have it....
Just leave it and every so often say Hey dad/mum have you had a chance to look at that contract yet?
If he says no just say ah thats ok can you tell me when you have....
Its a much better idea than the "Dad dad dad dad dad hey dad looked at the contract yet, well have ya, Cmon i want xbox live even though it sucks dad dad dad dad" Approach...

I'm sure you can work something out since you are 18... just try harder. Going behind their backs with loopholes will just make them angrier at you and not trust you for further things

I dropped the loophole thing a long time ago, rothbart changed the title


If your asking them every 10 minutes you obviously aren't showing your mature enough to have it....
Just leave it and every so often say Hey dad/mum have you had a chance to look at that contract yet?
If he says no just say ah thats ok can you tell me when you have....
Its a much better idea than the "Dad dad dad dad dad hey dad looked at the contract yet, well have ya, Cmon i want xbox live even though it sucks dad dad dad dad" Approach..

no offense but duh... who said i was asking him a whole bunch???

Well you said everytime you bring it up he yells at you so one would assume that you would have had to been asking him about it alot to resort him to yelling at you, Also you have made 3 posts in the space of 3 days about how long he is taking to look at it and 2 of those posts were on the same day that you said you had given him the contract...
So in other words i am right and you are very Impatient...
Thank you and G'Night:P

I said that? I don't remember saying that.

*Edit* I scanned the whole thread, read every post that I made, and it's true; I never said that.

I'll have to agree with Hobo on this one; even though I havn't read every post, normally someone else would pick him (or anyone else) up as soon as they said that.

I'll have to agree with Hobo on this one; even though I havn't read every post, normally someone else would pick him (or anyone else) up as soon as they said that.

But you see, the humor is that he had to scan all his posts to see if he said that... because even to him, it sounded plausible. He couldn't immediately deny it and say "I wouldn't have said that!"

That means the point was well made (even if I made it myself.) :thumbsup:

That means the point was well made (even if I made it myself.) :thumbsup:

Gloater. :lol:

Btw, JJMAC383, have you resolved your issue yet?
Seems like it has been going on for a while... :thumbsup:

Gloater. :lol:

Btw, JJMAC383, have you resolved your issue yet?
Seems like it has been going on for a while... :thumbsup:

His dad's on a business trip, so we don't have a response yet.

His dad's on a business trip, so we don't have a response yet.

I think his dad works for Sony. Dun, dun, dunnnnn! :tongue:

I think his dad works for Sony. Dun, dun, dunnnnn! :tongue:

That would explain soooooo much.

I think his dad works for Sony. Dun, dun, dunnnnn! :tongue:

:lipssealed: i'm not at liberty to discuss where my dad works... but if he did work for sony, i would have a ps3 but right now they cost too much, and the controller... wait do i really want this thread to go in this direction? NO! i'll leave it at i can't afford a ps3 (wish i could)... but yes my father is still on his business trip and once he returns i shall politely and somewhat subtly mention how i would like him to look at my contract once he gets a chance

Well you said everytime you bring it up he yells at you so one would assume that you would have had to been asking him about it alot to resort him to yelling at you, Also you have made 3 posts in the space of 3 days about how long he is taking to look at it and 2 of those posts were on the same day that you said you had given him the contract...
So in other words i am right and you are very Impatient...
Thank you and G'Night:P

I was venting... i'm not an idiot

I was venting... i'm not an idiot
The lack of response to my post indicates I was right....YAY GO ME:P

:lipssealed: i'm not at liberty to discuss where my dad works... but if he did work for sony, i would have a ps3 but right now they cost too much, and the controller... wait do i really want this thread to go in this direction? NO! i'll leave it at i can't afford a ps3 (wish i could)... but yes my father is still on his business trip and once he returns i shall politely and somewhat subtly mention how i would like him to look at my contract once he gets a chance


I was venting... i'm not an idiot

He's a hitman... I can totally tell.

*runs*

The lack of response to my post indicates I was right....YAY GO ME:P

whatever! (right now i wish there was a middle finger emoticon :wink2:)
He's a hitman... I can totally tell.

*runs*

again i'm not at liberty to discuss it...:lipssealed::lipssealed::lipssealed:

EDIT: I won't be able to respond to anything for a few days, i'm going to State in Water Polo wish me luck...

Ive justed realised JJMAC383 is the young Dave haha!

good luck JJMAC383!!!

His dad is a Navy Seal, part of the Epsilon squadron and his current mission is to disable the "frikin laser" on the lunar base.

is the frikin laser chargin?

he probably works for the government... on a top secret mission! :lol:

what if he is the son of Jack Thompson?

what if he is the son of Jack Thompson?

I actually think that sounds likely.

Otherwise, I think he's full of it and his dad's probably a horticultural engineer at a plant convention.

good luck JJMAC383!!!

Thanks we didn't play as well as we should have but we took 5th in the state

look i hate to ruin your fun but i really cannot talk about what my dad does!

I just got home late last night so i havn't asked my dad to look at the contract again but i will... and i'll let you know how it goes

i'm only kidding, I'm sure your dad isn't JT.
good luck bud with the XBL

AGHAGHAHAHGHHASGHAHGHAGHAHHGHAHGHAHGHG!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!
so i get home and ask my dad if he's had a chance to look at it?
he says no, so i let it drop knowing that he got the hint... but guess what he left on another business trip today!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so now i have to wait until he gets home before i can do anything, I'm very unhappy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AGHAGHAHAHGHHASGHAHGHAGHAHHGHAHGHAHGHG!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!
so i get home and ask my dad if he's had a chance to look at it?
he says no, so i let it drop knowing that he got the hint... but guess what he left on another business trip today!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so now i have to wait until he gets home before i can do anything, I'm very unhappy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hmm...
I guess he's not an assassin, because from my knowledge no prominent politicians were killed last week.

or maybe i'm too ignorant...

secret underground resistance of Hilary Clinton?

secret underground resistance of Hilary Clinton?
why do we need a secret underground one?
I think an open resistance may prove more effective.

I would join.

hmm...
I guess he's not an assassin, because from my knowledge no prominent politicians were killed last week.

or maybe i'm too ignorant...

i not telling anything

hmm...
I guess he's not an assassin, because from my knowledge no prominent politicians were killed last week.

or maybe i'm too ignorant...

I find the possiblilty of an assassin unlikely, but i want to put my 2 cents into this conspiracy!!!!

Maybe the first trip was just a reconassance attempt, and now he will do the killing... and he probably doesn't kill politicians mostly smaller stuff that won't get reported besides jj what country is he in???

jj what country is he in???

I'm pretty sure he's in Mexico right now

he may be a high class male escort... is he a good looking man?

err apologies jj if i basically just called your dad a whore:tongue:

he may be a high class male escort... is he a good looking man?

err apologies jj if i basically just called your dad a whore:tongue:

Well what happens in mexico:P

Get his attention. Just go up to him one day and say "thanks for letting me get xbox live."

If he doesn't care, then just get xbox live yourself and say that he didn't care before. If he does listen, then get him to read your contract.

Get his attention. Just go up to him one day and say "thanks for letting me get xbox live."

If he doesn't care, then just get xbox live yourself and say that he didn't care before. If he does listen, then get him to read your contract.

not a bad idea... because at least that'll get him to pay attention, gracias

not a bad idea... because at least that'll get him to pay attention, gracias

be careful...
You may want other people's opinion on his idea first.
Hobo doesn't have the best track record for logical decisions.
And that would most likely backfire heavily on you.

if you do this, you will be going behind your parent's backs, betraying their trust. You don't have their permission for this, and so doing this without them saying it is okay after them saying they have to give their permission will bring you bad consequences. Wait it out. When your Dad gets home, tell him that you would really like him to sit down and spend a few minutes reading your Contract and give his opinion on it. Remind him that you've spent alot of time making it, and that you've waited for quite a while regarding his decision. Showing maturity in your actions will help convey that you will show maturity with XBL.

not a bad idea... because at least that'll get him to pay attention, gracias

Lol you have made about 30 posts about how you dont wanna go behind their back and now you say that it is a good idea?
You sir are an idiot

be careful...
You may want other people's opinion on his idea first.
Hobo doesn't have the best track record for logical decisions.
And that would most likely backfire heavily on you.

if you do this, you will be going behind your parent's backs, betraying their trust. You don't have their permission for this, and so doing this without them saying it is okay after them saying they have to give their permission will bring you bad consequences. Wait it out. When your Dad gets home, tell him that you would really like him to sit down and spend a few minutes reading your Contract and give his opinion on it. Remind him that you've spent alot of time making it, and that you've waited for quite a while regarding his decision. Showing maturity in your actions will help convey that you will show maturity with XBL.

no hobo just said say i did it because then i'd get his attention... unless i read it wrong... i wouldn't actually set it up, just tell him i did to get his attention see?


Lol you have made about 30 posts about how you dont wanna go behind their back and now you say that it is a good idea?
You sir are an idiot

no i am not! and unless you have something useful to add stop posting please

be careful...
You may want other people's opinion on his idea first.
Hobo doesn't have the best track record for logical decisions.
And that would most likely backfire heavily on you.

if you do this, you will be going behind your parent's backs, betraying their trust. You don't have their permission for this, and so doing this without them saying it is okay after them saying they have to give their permission will bring you bad consequences. Wait it out. When your Dad gets home, tell him that you would really like him to sit down and spend a few minutes reading your Contract and give his opinion on it. Remind him that you've spent alot of time making it, and that you've waited for quite a while regarding his decision. Showing maturity in your actions will help convey that you will show maturity with XBL.

Ouch.

Anyways, I'm just saying that if he continues to just ask, his Dad will most likely just ignore him as he has been. Even worse, he might start viewing the asking as immature pestering. They may view it as a betrayal, but standing up for yourself is better than letting his Dad maintain his dismissive attitude. I really don't think that it's a maturity thing anyways. He's 18. I think that it's more of a moral issue, which needs to be faced in order to be dealt with.

no i am not! and unless you have something useful to add stop posting please

Well technically what i have posted does have relevance to the topic of the thread and it is useful as im advising you on not what to do and pointing out flaws in your Ideas while throwing mild insults at you...Therefore i have every right to post:)

There exists such a thing as a capital "i" you know.

---> I <---

There exists such a thing as a capital "i" you know.

---> I <---

Really?
Well you know what they say...
Takes one to know one:P

....what?

....what?

*sighs* I was calling myself an idiot...
Lets not turn this into a flame war because itll only end with you getting banned for the tenth time ;)

I wasn't trying to start one, even though in your past 15-20 posts you've made a point of frequently insulting me. I don't really care though because it's nothing new. Hell, even the mods jumped on the band wagon. I mean, look at my title and how they call me stupid every time they close one of my threads. I was only trying to decrypt your posts.

Well Im glad we solved that mystery...

let's try to stick to the topic please. How can I get my dad to listen?

I just told you.

yes and it was sound advice... but i still have to wait until he gets home before i can do anything so humor me

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Followed by "Daddy, might you take a look at my contract now?"

Holy crap are you still discussing this?

I know keep working this thought experiment out in this thread and by the time you've got it figured out you'll know exactly how to handle your kids when they ask for live.

Holy crap are you still discussing this?

I know keep working this thought experiment out in this thread and by the time you've got it figured out you'll know exactly how to handle your kids when they ask for live.

lol... true dat, it's not my fault though my dad won't even take the 5 minutes to read the contract I spent days working on... okay it was on and off but still it took a few days

I dont think he is going to listen at all, Its a lost cause and there probably isn't anything you can do to change that...
There is no point pissing him off anymore than you may have already, If i was you I would just leave it, It honestly isn't worth all this hassle...

Yeah, umm by the time you get Live the new Xbox will probably be around so just wait it out.

i'm not a quitter... i'll stop trying when my dad tells me face to face that "there isn't a chance in hell that you'll get xbox live while you live in my house"

I just want it stated that the sheer amount of times that this thread has been viewed makes me feel important ;)

Don't feel so special. Everyone just loves arguing.

i'm not a quitter... i'll stop trying when my dad tells me face to face that "there isn't a chance in hell that you'll get xbox live while you live in my house"

I think him ignoring you is the nice way of saying that, He quite obviously doesnt want to look at it...So maybe get your mum to read it and she could tell your dad.
If that doesnt work just leave it out in obvious places i.e Kitchen table, Re(fridge)rator (Not sure on the spelling as we dont say it like that here:P)...

If nothing works just take the hint and let it slide for a while....

Edit: 500th Post Woo, I cant believe my 500th post was giving someone advice, I would have rather it been insulting someone:P

Ouch.

Anyways, I'm just saying that if he continues to just ask, his Dad will most likely just ignore him as he has been. Even worse, he might start viewing the asking as immature pestering. They may view it as a betrayal, but standing up for yourself is better than letting his Dad maintain his dismissive attitude. I really don't think that it's a maturity thing anyways. He's 18. I think that it's more of a moral issue, which needs to be faced in order to be dealt with.

I see. But with my experience with my parents It's best to handle things passively and calmly. I didn't mean to insult you, i was just giving my take. I feel that if he goes ahead and does it without their jurisdiction it will backfire on him.

Jeez, by the time your dad actually goes over the contract and allows you to get Live you could move out of the house.

Jeez, by the time your dad actually goes over the contract and allows you to get Live you could move out of the house.

No kidding but I'm working on it!

No kidding but I'm working on it!

Unless you tie your dad to a chair and pin his eyes open with cocktail sticks, He is not going to read it...

On second thoughts maybe if you wrote up a big report on why you want it, How them as parents can control it and What you are willing to do to get it They may listen, Just Show them how much you are willing to do to have a bunch of 13 year old retards scream at you down the mic...

Unless you tie your dad to a chair and pin his eyes open with cocktail sticks, He is not going to read it...

On second thoughts maybe if you wrote up a big report on why you want it, How them as parents can control it and What you are willing to do to get it They may listen, Just Show them how much you are willing to do to have a bunch of 13 year old retards scream at you down the mic...

i get the feeling you don't like xbox live... care to elaborate as to why

well...
according to his post he doesn't like it because a bunch of 13 year old retards scream at him down his mic.

lol

well...
according to his post he doesn't like it because a bunch of 13 year old retards scream at him down his mic.

lol

Here have a cookie :D

Here have a cookie :D

yay!!

so I talked to my dad and he promised to look at it...it may still be fruitless but at least he'll look at it... I and millakilla you sir are an idiot! You can mute or just chat with friends no reason to hate something because a few jerks use it... Because if you did there'd only be a few products you could use after all I bet there isat least 1 jerk who owns something you want

Well at least he has agreed to look at it...
Hope everything goes well and if you are lucky you might just be online before 2010:P
*Phones JJMAC383's dad and tells him to rip up the contract*

Well at least he has agreed to look at it...
Hope everything goes well and if you are lucky you might just be online before 2010:P
*Phones JJMAC383's dad and tells him to rip up the contract*

HAHAHA my dad doesn't have a cell phone. Just a little chip the government uses to assign his next..... Never mind

His dad is a robot.

i wish he was a robot then i would re program him to give me all jjmac383 stuff then he can cry himself to sleep with or without live

i would but i like real success not just the fake $#!t

Tell them Jesus plays Live all the time and won't shut up about how fun it is to play GTA while drinking and holding a gun to his head.

Tell them Jesus plays Live all the time and won't shut up about how fun it is to play GTA while drinking and holding a gun to his head.

Keep up those posts, and you'll wind up like randomperson...

I remember when people used to say that about me. What happened to randomperson?

I remember when people used to say that about me. What happened to randomperson?

Hehe. No joke, I was going to say randomperson or HoboHunter...but then I realized that it's mostly just your threads.

Anyway, what DID he do?

When I said "wind up like randomperson", I was meaning you'll turn into him. :D Making useless posts that contribute nothing to the site, while being unusual in that he spams with pretty good grammar.

How in the hell is this thread still going on?!??! If you can't get live, that sucks, but you can wait a few years.

Yeah this thread needs to die now.

Yeah this thread needs to die now.

Lets make it die quicker by spamming it till lockdown!!:D

I would prefer it if this thread stayed open for a while longer.

@kirbdawg12 I wish he was a robot too because I'd reprogram him to not be such a controlling dick! O and if you stole my stuff I'd kill you because I know where you live

How are you getting on with the Loophole Hunt, JJMAC383?
Have you finalised an agreement yet, or do we continue to wait for the final decision?

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg271/HoboHunter1001/thshootingkirbywithtextke5.gif

keep it open so that he can tell us how it ends, but so far the past ten pages pretty much have been spam

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg271/HoboHunter1001/thshootingkirbywithtextke5.gif

:lol:

That pic was awesome.

kirby doesn't want this to die because he's my nieghbor and he'd benefit from me having xbox live as well. And as for re final decision I'm still waitng for him to look at the contract wit me... In fact he just got home here goes nothing

OHHH
This could be it!
The moment we've all been waiting for!

i'm giddy with excitement.

look at my giddy-ness.

he's not finished with work so he went into his den and is working on... Whatever he OSS for a living but as soon as he's done I'm going to demadhis attention. I'm sick of having my desires pushed to the side!!!!

Whatever he OSS for a living


spoiler?

he's actually a purchasing manager

he's actually a purchasing manager

Well, that's kind of a let down. :undecided:

Well, that's kind of a let down. :undecided:

perhaps that's just his cover as they travel a lot too

Mods close this thread please asap
If you'd like to know how things went read the spoiler but be warned foul language is afoot
agagagaggahahaggahghagga my dad is such a stubborn.... No you know what i'm not going to swear i'm pissed off he loves powerand doesn't care that I'm right xbox live isn't evil and niether are video games... He says he doesn't want xbox live in the house but won't give me a reason. I tried to point out the misconceptions but he doesn't care I'm done with this I'll just have to play at my friends house or whilst he is sleeping ;)

please lock

And so ends an epic tale...