gameplay coexists with graphics, one does not exist without the other.

mario galaxy

That's a mario game, their graphics do not aim for realism. Which helps to prove my point, if they changed it around mario fans would be pissed.

True but everyone wants Super Mario Galazy it is a proven fact by Wii UK

Hell, why defend Wii graphics. Seriously they made a system that was cheap using last gen chip sets. Because Nintendo was basically going for broke with this system. They made something everyone likes and now they are lucky that they can actually make money on the system themselves.

Wait what? Are you saying Nintendo doesnt make much money on every wii sold? Are you saying Nintendo is Broke? Are you saying Nintendo isnt making money off Wii?

That's not waht he's saying, he was saying that Nintendo was going broke during the R+R of the Wii... Not now...

Apperently he forgot about teh DS Lite, Right now it's Nintendo;s only real gaming platform...

Because it rocks, unlike the unimpressive Wii... I like my Gamecube more...

That's a mario game, their graphics do not aim for realism. Which helps to prove my point, if they changed it around mario fans would be pissed.

So.... your statement about graphics can only be judged on the games you choose?

And dont get me wrong... Im a PC gamer more then anything... but that strikes me as a tad bit loaded and biased. ;)

My point is every game has it's own graphical style, if they tried to make mario's graphics based on realism and such people would not be happy, I know I wouldn't.

it's own graphical style? come on... you've been proven wrong, admit it. super mario galaxy does not have what we would consider "good graphics" because the gamecube would be able to have identical graphics. your response IS biased and i think nintendo is doing a good job by realizing where they fall short and making up for it in other areas, such as multi gravitational pulls... i can't think of ANY other game to have that.

ok then douche imagine the wii has the graphical power of the PS3 and makes SMG look like uncharted, I would not enjoy that. wich proves that graphics go wit hthe gameplay.

Mario would suck if it looked realistic. It can still look better then it does right now without going that far though.

no seriously, the graphics suck, but when you play mario galaxy for the first time, its easy to forget all that.

It sure wasn't easy for me to forget Gears of War graphics playing Mario Galaxy. Maybe that's just cause I didn't enjoy it all that much.

ok then douche imagine the wii has the graphical power of the PS3 and makes SMG look like uncharted, I would not enjoy that. wich proves that graphics go wit hthe gameplay.

....so you want to say art style is more important then graphic power? Because frankly, I WILL agree to that.

Why does anyone care about the Wii's already crappy graphics! The only reason everyone wants a Wii is because it is a new way to play. You don't see Micrsoft caring, they just want their consoles to sell. Sony, My god are those guys pwned! Why would anyone want a Wii anyway? they cost loads!

Why does anyone care about the Wii's already crappy graphics! The only reason everyone wants a Wii is because it is a new way to play. You don't see Micrsoft caring, they just want their consoles to sell. Sony, My god are those guys pwned! Why would anyone want a Wii anyway? they cost loads!

do you think about what you say before saying it.... do you realize what you said after you finished? wii's cost loads? is this bad sarcasm? sony is pwned? are you high?

LoL!

I think that when the wii has good games its's awesome and graphics don't matter, but otherwise its a crappy gimmick and the bad graphics really show.

At least nintendo will be able to put better harware into their next console.

Everybody knows the wii has crap graphics, This didnt really bother me till the other day while playing GH3 and noticing the awful graphics and character animations, after seeing that it honestly made me want to cry....Why oh why did i buy this crap excuse for a next gen console? Please somebody tell me:P

Why does anyone care about the Wii's already crappy graphics! The only reason everyone wants a Wii is because it is a new way to play. You don't see Micrsoft caring, they just want their consoles to sell. Sony, My god are those guys pwned! Why would anyone want a Wii anyway? they cost loads!

There had to be some sort of intoxicant involved in your saying that. I can name 7 things from your post that are just so wrong, you had to have been on something when you wrote it.

can someone explain to me why this thread is still going?

Do you really need that explained?

I mean, I dont get the defense iether (anyone who got the system for graphics was not paying attention), but still.....

maybe he does.

nice explanation.

Wow, this thread is still healthy lol. Its been around for like 3 months possibly longer.

This thread will never stop, no one will stop posting until nintendo bring their next console out and then another will just be made "why do wii2 fanboys vigorously defend the wii2's crappy graphics".

Nintendo will never release a good graphics console.
They just make some stupid gadgets like the wii remote so kids can wave it around frantically.

Nintendo will never release a good graphics console.
They just make some stupid gadgets like the wii remote so kids can wave it around frantically.

Gamecube had about the same graphics as PS2 and xbox.

Gamecube had about the same graphics as PS2 and xbox.

Actually it was capable of producing better graphics then the ps2, just had no decent games to show that.

Asking this question is like asking why do 360 fanboys defend it's failure rate, why to PS3 fanboys defend a console with nothing on it and a hefty price,and why do PC fanboys defend a system that you need to continuously pump money into. There will always be fanboys.

Asking this question is like asking why do 360 fanboys defend it's failure rate, why to PS3 fanboys defend a console with nothing on it and a hefty price,and why do PC fanboys defend a system that you need to continuously pump money into. There will always be fanboys.

That is the most logical explanation on this thread.

Actually it was capable of producing better graphics then the ps2, just had no decent games to show that.

Metroid Prime 2.

Asking this question is like asking why do 360 fanboys defend it's failure rate, why to PS3 fanboys defend a console with nothing on it and a hefty price,and why do PC fanboys defend a system that you need to continuously pump money into. There will always be fanboys.

what about handheld fanboys? do they even exist? Seriously, I've never seen one.

Gamecube had about the same graphics as PS2 and xbox.

Really? That surprises me.

what about handheld fanboys? do they even exist? Seriously, I've never seen one.

oh they exist... iether going crazy to defend the DS's graphics, or the PSP's library. In portables, it's back to the days of Sega vs Nintendo... only Sega is Sony (actually, wonder if anyone wants to write up why DS is the new Gameboy and PSP is the new Gamegear.... might be an amusing joke to read).

Except the Gameboy and Gamegear both sucked...

Like Carrying a freaking brick arround with you, a costly battarie killing one...

what about handheld fanboys? do they even exist? Seriously, I've never seen one.

Those were the only other fanboys that came to mind. And I would have to say that no, I haven't seen a hand-held fanboy, either.

Except the Gameboy and Gamegear both sucked...

Like Carrying a freaking brick arround with you, a costly battarie killing one...

Yeah, Ill agree... but thats why I only entered portables last year or so. Still suckage aside, the comparisons between the two systems are alive in the two current ones today... alot of them. Just... minus so much suck since technology has marched on and washed it away. (case in point... Tiger hand held games would NOT last in today's market.... they could with those two... I rest my case).

I own a wii, and I consider myself a half fanboy of it.
I agree the graphics are pretty craptacular on most games, but games like metroid prime 3 and super mario galaxy prove otherwise, even thought they don't completely make up for all the horrible graphics on most of the games on the market.
Because when I saw some of the games for my wii, I personally wished that I had something like a ps3 or 360.

But sometimes it's better to have more stylistic graphics than cutting-edge. Would Super Mario Galaxy have worked as well if Mario looked like a real person?

Would Super Mario Galaxy have worked as well if Mario looked like a real person?

Hell no.

Exactly. I enjoyed LoZ: Twilight Princess's style, which wouldn't have worked as well photo realistic.

what would bowser look like if he looked realistic???


:eek:

Effing ugly. And wrong.

that game woul sell worse than the super mario bros movie!!!

what would bowser look like if he looked realistic???


:eek:

http://www.arthouse.org/everquest/dragon2007-3-4web.gif
A dragon?

no, realistic.

no, realistic.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/bowser/bowser_070704b-l.jpg
Like that?
He looks hella realistic.

That's at least a start.

It'd be even uglier though.

I said a start.

I said a start.

I wonder what peach would look like in real life...
*cuts hole in pocket*
To the internet!

I wonder what peach would look like in real life...
*cuts hole in pocket*
To the internet!

I'm more of a Daisy fan myself.

Daisy does pwn.

Daisy does pwn.

YOU FIGURED OUT MY SECRET!
*Hides in his daisy room*

applpie, could u make a game aimation?

applpie, could u make a game aimation?

I could...
What would you insist it be about?

Yo man, you got animation skillz! All my brothers are comin' to you!

applepie, you should get the label "thread murderer."

though, this one's needed to be put down for a long time....

It's like Old Yeller.

ok, here it is. the wii's graphics don't matter for good games(super mario galaxy), but for crap games and lousy ports they make your eyes bleed.


end o' discussion. Now close this thread!

well if strika commands it! :rolleyes:

Ha HA it could take you forever if you tried to read this whole thread!!

That's a good thing.

When everyone dies and the world ends this thread will be the only thing left :P

I wonder if we can make it to 30 pages?

The way we're keeping this thread alive with talk about random stuff, we'll have 30 pages in no time ! ;)

And after thirty all the people who posted here will get the 'thirty' achievment for making this thread a milestone thread.

Yeah, forum achievments ftw.

10,000 points!

sweeeeet

what if i don't have an xbox? :(

Maybe they just mail you the points.

Are the points edible? Like cake?

they can feed your ego...

well this went off track...

It certainly did.

well this went off track...

Was it ever on track?

the first 10 or so pages were, and then it just became a wii spam thread...

no, it went from a wii flame thread to a spam thread... there are a few posts scattered here and there with people actually responding to the topic about the wii's GRAPHICS, but it was kind of like a T-Ball game of "who hates the wii?"

Hey, Ala Douche is back!

Good job detective, but yeah some people kept with the topic, but at this point I don't anyone can say anything that has not already been said.

yeah, after 28 pages, pretty much everything's been said :P

and i've been back for a few days now!

My bad...

oh well...
back to wii hating!

oh well...
back to wii hating!

But you have a Zelda avatar.

just cause I like nintendo, doesn't mean I like the wii...

i9t's only got 3 good games (all 1st party)

That a LoZ: Twilight Princess Link though. A game on Wii.

I like the wii, but I only play it occasionally due to lack of games.

I wish there was 3rd party support

So do I. It's the Gamecube all over again.

much rather have top graphics and top gameplay, and i can think of a **** loads of games that are better than 99% of the wii's games on pc, xbox and ps3, and they all have better graphics and gameplay, so in my opinion, gameplay over graphics argument is kinda flawed here. Most wii games are fun for about 5 mins, i havent seen one of my mates play it seriously in a LONG time, the only game played seriously is guitar hero 3, and the guitar controller doesnt even work properly, and the online is laggy to ****, waste of time.

I think you're going overboard. The 1st party games rock, its just besides that it has no good games

And yet people still buy it up.

Because it's THE NEW TREND OMG!!

:rolleyes: The wii has plenty of support, it's just that they arent making any good games. They are wanting to make some quick easy money and thats what they do.

Laff.

The Wii's graphics are crap compared to Xbox 360 and PS3. They are better than last-gen marginally (some of the early games looked bad, mind). Thing is, did you buy one of last-gen consoles and think "Now I have to put up with crap graphics for 5-6 years"?

generally the control scheme is what people buy the wii for.

The graphics are crap, but when you get a good game made specifically for the control scheme, it is awesome

gameplay> controls> graphics well in my opinion anyways. Well just as long as the graphics are as confusing as Manhunt 2

Laff.

The Wii's graphics are crap compared to Xbox 360 and PS3. They are better than last-gen marginally (some of the early games looked bad, mind). Thing is, did you buy one of last-gen consoles and think "Now I have to put up with crap graphics for 5-6 years"?

It is crap, but only compared to the 360 and PS3. The games I have look fine.

SMG won alot of awards, amnd maybe brawl will be as good.

It is crap, but only compared to the 360 and PS3. The games I have look fine.

That's what I thought. In comparison, yes they are. In general they aren't. I haven't suddenly decided all previous-gen graphics are crap... except maybe PS1.

And most N64 games as well.

And most N64 games as well.

Well, the Virtual Console improves the picture quality. N64 games are on par with DS games, in my opinion. It's hit and miss.

DS is a little better. The original games suck.

SMG won alot of awards, amnd maybe brawl will be as good.

well at the vga, and everywhere else, for some reason it got the best action adventure title, how the **** is it an action adventure? other than that it only won best wii game in all of the places ive viewed, so dont know where you got the alot of awards from

So do I. It's the Gamecube all over again.

Except the Gamecube was awesome but sold crap... So no, it's not...

nintendo was smart by appealing to the casual gamer. Now no matter how amny bad games there are it will still sell

WII RULES it may not have the best graphics which is true, but it does have brilliant gameplay and what i call funability it has fun games though most of them are cheap imports from older consoles because we dont have any decent third party develepors who understand how brilliant the console is

well at the vga, and everywhere else, for some reason it got the best action adventure title, how the **** is it an action adventure? other than that it only won best wii game in all of the places ive viewed, so dont know where you got the alot of awards from

gamespot. and it was like the highest rated game on metacritic.

Except the Gamecube was awesome but sold crap... So no, it's not...

No, what I meant was that most good Gamecube titles were 1st party titles. The same with the Wii.

well at the vga, and everywhere else, for some reason it got the best action adventure title, how the **** is it an action adventure? other than that it only won best wii game in all of the places ive viewed, so dont know where you got the alot of awards from

it was also nominated for game of the year from just about everywhere.

agreed.

it was also nominated for game of the year from just about everywhere.

And it's ususally in the Top 5, if not the Top 3 games on these lists.

SMG Is just plain fun! even zero punctuation, the ater of all games, gave it a decent review.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/zeropunctuation/2768-Zero-Punctuation-Super-Mario-Galaxy

Yahtzee doesn't hate all games, just games that suck. Like Clive Barker's Jericho.

name one game (besides phsychonaugts *cant spell) that was good and he gave a good review.

Orange Box. Ha! What now?

EJECT!! EJECT!!

whatever, at least now there's a (sort of) killer app for the wii.

Except the Gamecube was awesome but sold crap... So no, it's not...

You got them reversed my friend. I only got a gamecube SPECIFICALLY for Metroid Prime. It was a POS with a pathetic controller (I mean, it was a standard controller that outright SUCKED fighting games. I mean, the Wii, ok.. motion sensative isnt for everything, but that's the price of progress... the gamecube had NO EXCUSE). Basically when all was said and done, if had that and Eternal Darkness for me. NOTHING else even hit my radar.

The Wii so far has offered me the last Prime, a few mario titles I actually WANTED, as well as the soon to be Dragon Quest Swords, Smash Bros. Brawl, and Fatal Frame 4 (I regret the vaporware status of Sadness).

A console is always just a backup for me, but 4 exclusives on the way (and at least 3 now) is one hell of a backup.

name one game (besides phsychonaugts *cant spell) that was good and he gave a good review.

he also said he liked guitar hero 1 and 2

hey, if you're going to say that smg and ssb brawl suck because of their graphics, you're wrong.

hey, if you're going to say that smg and ssb brawl suck because of their graphics, you're wrong.

Neither game sucks because of graphics. Because graphics do not make a game the gameplay does.....hmm this seems like something I would have said in the old days.

Besides SMG and SSBB look beautiful

Honestly, from my experience, almost EVERY complaint of graphics is insecurity with the choice not to get it. I can think of NO other reason Ive seen the few people argue against the system come up with so many STUPID reasons.

1) 3rd party sucks. (PC/360/PS3 is for 3rd party. Nintendo is for 1st)
2) It's a fad. (It's been selling out for over a year. This is past fad-time.)
3) The controls are a gimmick (I have no answer as none is needed when this is said of METROID PRIME 3)

and when the xbot involved could NOT go on these, he goes back to graphics. (Yes, these all came out of the same handful of mouths, one as often as he can.... the same one who claims to be a PS3 fanboy when he wont touch anything without achievements).

I agree with most of what you're saying....

but who were you refferring to?

I agree with most of what you're saying....

but who were you refferring to?

Sadly, my roommate. He isnt on this site.

Man...

I just saw the Brawl Update (snakes final smash)...

And the Soul Caliber IV Screens...

I know I shouldn't compare them, but I can't my head won't let me...

Is it just me or has Brawl gotten uglier?

I feel so much less hyped for it now...

Man...

I just saw the Brawl Update (snakes final smash)...

And the Soul Caliber IV Screens...

I know I shouldn't compare them, but I can't my head won't let me...

Is it just me or has Brawl gotten uglier?

I feel so much less hyped for it now...

Brawl is Brawl. If it had the same graphics as Melee (which is most certainly does not) it would still be one of the best games coming out this year, possibly this generation. You an idiot if you were hyped before and arent now. And yes I called you an idiot. Do something about it.

Man...

I just saw the Brawl Update (snakes final smash)...

And the Soul Caliber IV Screens...

I know I shouldn't compare them, but I can't my head won't let me...

Is it just me or has Brawl gotten uglier?

I feel so much less hyped for it now...

...so you feel less hyped for Brawl because of a game set in "swords and magic" fantasy, yet is toting Darth Vader and Yoda?

NOW I dont get you at all.

Brawl is Brawl. If it had the same graphics as Melee (which is most certainly does not) it would still be one of the best games coming out this year, possibly this generation. You an idiot if you were hyped before and arent now. And yes I called you an idiot. Do something about it.

Don't be such a ******, I never said I was less hyped just because of the graphics...

It's a combination of the delay, and the graphics, and now Soul Caliber IV is coming out around the same timezone (probably before in teh UK)...

I was extremely hyped for Brawl back in November/Early December... Now I couldn't care less... I've moved on... Nintendo blew it for me...

...so you feel less hyped for Brawl because of a game set in "swords and magic" fantasy, yet is toting Darth Vader and Yoda?

NOW I dont get you at all.

How does that make it brawl? You have freaking link and Samus, totally different timezones, fighting midair on some sky stage bing bombed by Snake...

What a stupid thing to say...

I didn't care about Spawn or Link being in SC2, why should I now?

Besides, Darth Vader being in it totally upped my hype...

How does that make it brawl? You have freaking link and Samus, totally different timezones, fighting midair on some sky stage bing bombed by Snake...

Wait, wha? So now ALL online games (since, you know, everyone is playing in different time zones) are at fault? What the hell is that?

As for the characters, Brawl NEVER set a theme of atmosphere outside of "random stuff."

Soul Calibur had a fantasy thing going for 3 games now (4 if you include Legends) with a FULL and fairly developed story. The most deviations they had was the guy from Tekken. (Spawn was the Mideval one, and Link is fantasy, so while they probably shouldnt have been there, at LEAST they could be blended in.)

And now they complete shatter the world they created by throwing in two of the most well known SCI-FI characters in pop-culture.

Just get it overwith and throw Samus, MasterChief, and Mr. Spock in too.

What a stupid thing to say...

I didn't care about Spawn or Link being in SC2, why should I now?

Besides, Darth Vader being in it totally upped my hype...

I would call THAT stupid, as it completely shatters the basic workings of the Soul Calibur story... which, btw, was going GREAT till now.

the fact that they delayed in, as PMPB said, might not be a bad thing.

Also, graphics don't count for anything with smashbros.
It's the crazy amount of characters and extras they have

If you feel let down, than your loss. At least wait for the reviews.

Wait, wha? So now ALL online games (since, you know, everyone is playing in different time zones) are at fault? What the hell is that?

As for the characters, Brawl NEVER set a theme of atmosphere outside of "random stuff."

Soul Calibur had a fantasy thing going for 3 games now (4 if you include Legends) with a FULL and fairly developed story. The most deviations they had was the guy from Tekken. (Spawn was the Mideval one, and Link is fantasy, so while they probably shouldnt have been there, at LEAST they could be blended in.)

And now they complete shatter the world they created by throwing in two of the most well known SCI-FI characters in pop-culture.

Just get it overwith and throw Samus, MasterChief, and Mr. Spock in too.

I would call THAT stupid, as it completely shatters the basic workings of the Soul Calibur story... which, btw, was going GREAT till now.

Story?

Soul Caliber 2 didn't have much of a story going for it anyways, unless I somehow missed it even though I beat the game and played it over multiple times...

The game series already had nearly no suspension of disbelief for me...

It's all about the game play, which it rocked at... So more characters, especially ones like Darth Vader are only a good thing... If they're implemented well, like Link and Spawn were...

It's not any different than Master Chief (well Sparton 101 whaterver) being in DOA4, and nobody seemed to complain about that...

Oh and I'll be pretending Soul Caliber Legends didn't exist...

Why did they have to soil sucha great franchise with such a mediocre game?

And I never said I felt let down about Brawl... Just that my hyped has all but died out for it...

Somehow Emophia, I think you don't know what you're saying.

By release, are you just going to ignore this game sitting on a shelf in a gaming store, looking as epic as it is already?

I know what I'm saying, I already said it, for some reason or another all my hype for Brawl which was pretty immense previously, has all but died out...

ok then. For me, I'm still hoping they reveal new characters before launch.

They already have enough characters if you ask me, more is good though...

this game is going to have to last until the next generation, the more characters and depth the better.

Depth and quality is all it needs...

More characters =/= longlivity...

And please for the love of God remove friend codes, and make random battles more personal... See their names and stuff...

they wouldn't be nintendo if they did..... *sigh*

I know what I'm saying, I already said it, for some reason or another all my hype for Brawl which was pretty immense previously, has all but died out...

So you won't play it then? Come on, matey.

Story?

Soul Caliber 2 didn't have much of a story going for it anyways, unless I somehow missed it even though I beat the game and played it over multiple times...

If you follow ZIggy through it all, the game has one hell of a solid plot. Basically, they are HIS story so far... his and Nightmare's in dealing with the blades.

I can understand missing it though... after all, I only caught it because a good friend of mine specialized in Ziggy. Everything else is mere branches.

Oh, and I agree about Legends.... but to be technical, it had to be mentioned.

If it's fun, nobody gives a flying f*ck about the graphics.
That's why they sold so many.
and it is very cheap.
and it looks so appealingly kid-friendly

Working in retail lets you see how many little kids' parents line up at 5 in the morning to buy this stuff. Its insane.:eek:

You know, SSBB can be better then what is shown if they just remove the F****** friend codes and as Emophia said make the random fights more personal, also for the love of god please add a headset of some sort

You know, SSBB can be better then what is shown if they just remove the F****** friend codes and as Emophia said make the random fights more personal, also for the love of god please add a headset of some sort

Friend codes are about the f*cking stupidest idea ever made. Good for 5-year-old kids who probably couldn't care anyway, f*cking terrible for everyone else. No chat and so on is just the side effects. Freind codes effectively kill online for both the Wii and the DS. I know Nintendo wants to be kid-friendly, but who the f*ck is gonna want to remember 4930208430209400483 instead of a f*cking name?

So you won't play it then? Come on, matey.

Did I say I wouldn't?

Where did you get that from? Stop making up crap...

If you follow ZIggy through it all, the game has one hell of a solid plot. Basically, they are HIS story so far... his and Nightmare's in dealing with the blades.

I can understand missing it though... after all, I only caught it because a good friend of mine specialized in Ziggy. Everything else is mere branches.

Oh, and I agree about Legends.... but to be technical, it had to be mentioned.

That explains it, still, story is not even close to one of the main reasons I play SCII...

Okay, this video shows the true potential of the Wii. By the end of 2008 we might acually see some games that implement this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEDNbaNsvXQ&eurl=http://www.wiivr.net/

Galaxy looks pretty good
but not as good as a xbox 360 game.

Okay, this video shows the true potential of the Wii. By the end of 2008 we might acually see some games that implement this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEDNbaNsvXQ&eurl=http://www.wiivr.net/

Either radically gay or radically awesome.

indeed

Either radically gay or radically awesome.

Im going with option 1... especially when WITHOUT adding things to hang around the TV we will have something that can do the same thing soon (Wii fit).

Because its 110% better than PS3.

Oh would you shut up and go back to your hole!?!?!

I'm amazed that anyone would actually want to steal him from nintendo....:p

(jk)
seriously though, don't bring the fanboy comments into these threads. please.

Okay, this video shows the true potential of the Wii. By the end of 2008 we might acually see some games that implement this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEDNb...www.wiivr.net/

I doubt we will see tecnology as advanced as that being implemented in the average console game until the 8th generation of video conolses tbh.

If developers open their minds, we will have something damn close very soon, actually.

Okay, this video shows the true potential of the Wii. By the end of 2008 we might acually see some games that implement this:

No, it doesn't. It shows what you can do with an infrared camera, some IR LEDs and a PC running a bit of custom software.

That hack (and the other ones Jonny Lee has done) are all about using the Wii remote hooked to a PC. It uses the remote's bluetooth for the PC connection to send the tracking data collected by the IR camera in the remote. (Just in case anybody doesn't know, the Wii's "sensor bar" isn't a sensor at all. It's just some IR LEDs that the camera in the remote uses to track its position.)

I'm not sure how this could progress to anything significant on the Wii itself. It take the controller away from the player (well, at least one controller), and locks it into a fixed position. Then there's the necessity of a new device with the IR LEDs for head tracking. Will people be up for wearing a peripheral on their head? How can it be made to fit everybody's head comfortably? Won't it get sweaty or oily? How will you clean it?

Those are just a few of the not-insignificant hurdles to overcome before this idea is anything more than a really cool hack.

why would anyone be playing with out the remote?

why would anyone be playing with out the remote?

The Wii Remote VR/head tracking hacks require a remote to remain in a fixed position by the screen, pointing at the user. This is required for the software to be able to use the remote's IR camera to track the IR LEDs the user will have attached to his/her head. Any game using this system would require a user to have two remotes - one for head tracking and one for the user to hold to use as a controller.

....shouldnt even bother... WiiFit = weight distribution being measured... so your stance becomes how this is read.

You dont give up your wiimote AND you get to lean around corners and duck behind cover...

fanboys for any console if you own only one console are in my experience arnt really fanboys but people who spent the money on a console and after you invest money into something you dont want to see it fail if you are like most people who cant just go out and buy all the consoles

cause they r in complete denial

NECROING ALERT!!!!!

Seriously, let it go... both to understand fanboys (impossible) and just going after a system.... it's over...

Yeah keep dead threads like these buried. Please.

because graphics dont make the fame gameplay does

quit being a troll go to gamespot for theat BS

Re: Why do Wii fanboys vigorously defend the Wii's crappy graphics?

...Because they're not crappy.
Not that I'm a fanboy...

Because sometimes the wii does have good graphics!

A Few Examples

Mario Kart Wii

Super Smash Brothers Brawl

Super Paper Mario

Super Mario Galaxy

Mario Kart Wii

Super Smash Brothers Brawl

Super Paper Mario

Super Mario Galaxy

But you forget that these games are not "realistic" enough for these people and thus no matter how "pretty" or "fun" they may look/be they just won't be good enough. Bah!

But you forget that these games are not "realistic" enough for these people and thus no matter how "pretty" or "fun" they may look/be they just won't be good enough. Bah!
And that pisses me off. I mean come on the Cutscenes in SSBB are gorgous. Not to mention the graphics on Galaxy are also pretty good. Yet to these people care? no. They only care about how "Real" a game looks. I'm going to say this once and only once. GRAPHICS DON'T MAKE THE GAME YOU ****ING GRAPHIC WHORES. [/Thread Over]

In my opinion the the Wii and 360 are both justified purchases and the are both extremely fun. The graphics 360 games such as Bio Shock, COD4 and the new legendary Map Pack on Halo are awesome. The Wii has good games that lack graphics (like Lono says) but the fun factor is just as just as high. My main point im trying to get a across is that graphics don't make the game.

An example of this is looking at the original Doom. On the Sega 32X Doom had alot better graphics. However, the Snes had better sound and me and my friends find the Snes version to be more fun.

So you guys can bag on the Wii as much as you want just because it lacks FPS's, HD graphics, realistic games, and DLC. You can not however bag on the Wii for lack of fun the games such as Mario Galaxy, Brawl, and Metroid. In my opinion graphics don't effect how fun a game is, I myself play my SNES a couple time a week just beacuse of how fun the games are.

And that pisses me off. I mean come on the Cutscenes in SSBB are gorgous. Not to mention the graphics on Galaxy are also pretty good. Yet to these people care? no. They only care about how "Real" a game looks. I'm going to say this once and only once. GRAPHICS DON'T MAKE THE GAME YOU ****ING GRAPHIC WHORES. [/Thread Over]

Thank you. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

I have no problems with the Graphics on Wii Games. I still play PS2 RPG's on the PS3. That being on a 1080P HDTV is the suck. What I do think though is that the Wii is wayyyyyyy overhyped for what it delivers. I will admit that I purchased my Wii based off of the hype. I picked up Red Steel & the Zelda: Twilight Princess. The Zelda game was ok, I say OK since I'm not a fan of Zelda games. Those were the only two games I purchased on the Wii since the system released. The other games don't appeal to me at all. I have picked up a ton of Virtual Console games but that's about it. My friend brings over SSBB & that is ok as well. I'm more into the Virtua Fighter, Soul Calibur kind of fighters. So in the end, the graphics don't bother me but the console flat out sucks. My taste in games are just different so it's an opinion rather than me simply bashing it.

-LatinLegacy

But you forget that these games are not "realistic" enough for these people and thus no matter how "pretty" or "fun" they may look/be they just won't be good enough. Bah!
yeah whats ur ****in point? i dont see it all see is blind retarded hatred and if u DARE mention halo gears of war ratchet an clank i will own you none of those are realistic we like our games you like yours if you dont like it dont play it we are not forcing it down your throat like you are trying to do to us

yeah whats ur ****in point? i dont see it all see is blind retarded hatred and if u DARE mention halo gears of war ratchet an clank i will own you none of those are realistic we like our games you like yours if you dont like it dont play it we are not forcing it down your throat like you are trying to do to us

Lol, maybe you should re read my statement about 10 times until you get it. It seems to me like you completely missed my point... lulz i don't feel like explaining myself

and no, you wouldn't "own me"

We don't defend the graphics, we defend it against the notion that just bcause it has less-than-ideal graphics that somehow makes the games all bad.

Didn't I say [/thread over] a page back?

yeah whats ur ****in point? i dont see it all see is blind retarded hatred and if u DARE mention halo gears of war ratchet an clank i will own you none of those are realistic we like our games you like yours if you dont like it dont play it we are not forcing it down your throat like you are trying to do to us

I only see blind retarded hatred coming from here^

What was to be said has been said.

Wii fanboys vigorously defend the Wii's graphics because the lord of the fanboys SAID SO!

yeah whats ur ****in point? i dont see it all see is blind retarded hatred and if u DARE mention halo gears of war ratchet an clank i will own you none of those are realistic we like our games you like yours if you dont like it dont play it we are not forcing it down your throat like you are trying to do to us

what does that even mean?

what does that even mean?

im going to have to agree with you. WTF did he just say? lol

okok ive been reading, and i thiiiiiink he meant

"wii is 'realer' than anything. say halo etc is 'realer' and he will own you. i like my games you like yours, don't force it on us"

or summat like that

I thought he meant:

It doesn't matter that games look 'realer' because there are all of those other games like halo, gears of war, ratchet and clank, etc. that people love the graphics about, so shut up. We have our own games and you have your own so stop forcing yours upon us, because we are not forcing ours upon you.

Although there was no blind retarded hatred because he missed NecrisJ1MM's point.

this thread is still active? WOW

well... fanboys still have something to fight about. Why would this thread die?

well... fanboys still have something to fight about. Why would this thread die?

Uber...don't make us hate you,k:tongue:

I didn't mean I hated the wii, I don't own one and I've only played one game, so I can't formulate an educated opinion. I'm just saying why they (and you ragnarock :tongue:) continue to fight.

I thought he meant:

It doesn't matter that games look 'realer' because there are all of those other games like halo, gears of war, ratchet and clank, etc. that people love the graphics about, so shut up. We have our own games and you have your own so stop forcing yours upon us, because we are not forcing ours upon you.

Although there was no blind retarded hatred because he missed NecrisJ1MM's point.

this thread is still active? WOW

Yes, thank you.

And as long as people bash on the Wii, for it's graphical potential this thread will live.... Unless it gets locked :P

i heard a rumor from a very reliable guy (me), that the wii is a load of crap...

think he might be right

i heard a rumor from a very reliable guy (me), that the wii is a load of crap...

think he might be right



that the reason I din't want this topic to go on again,idiot people posting stupid crap:angry:

Well that why Lono made this thread, to curse the Wii Forum FOREVER. I hate you Lono.

Die thread DIE! :angry:

Hey, those be my words (i think). If I could only find which thread I posted those words on so damn long ago.
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Anyway. I think in the 440 posts that have been made on this thread, and on this topic (minus all the spam) we've discussed pretty much all there is to be discussed on this. I'd like to say that it can all be summed up with this line:

The Wii's graphics may not be "realer" but graphics are not all that important in a console or a game.

Now this thread can die a peaceful death. But probably not.

Maybe someone can delete this for trolling or flaming.

Delete THIS post for pointlessness, because I see no trolling or flaming.

Maybe someone can delete this for trolling or flaming.

Spam maybe:roll:

Somebody really needs to just lock this thread. Right now. Please.

Somebody really needs to just lock this thread. Right now. Please.

why lock 38 pages of greatness?

why lock 38 pages of greatness?

Because of spam like this. Please. LOCK IT! :lipssealed:

Because of spam like this. Please. LOCK IT! :lipssealed:


so now your telling the admins how to administrate?

where do you get off telling them how to do their jobs?!

where do you get off telling them how to do their jobs?!

Where do you get off posting in a thread that should be dead. :tongue:

that the reason I din't want this topic to go on again,idiot people posting stupid crap:angry:

If your going to insult me, please, learn how to spell.
I'm entitled to my opinion so screw you.

nobody post here until a wii hater arrives.

then we can destroy them.

Would some one please get this thread back on topic?

Would some one please get this thread back on topic?

To be fair, I don't think it's possible.

What we've found is that Wii owners, plus everyone else with a brain (i personally don't own one) understands that the graphics are not what the wii's about. There's just a few who just try to wind everyone else up.

I'd close it myself and have done..

To be fair, I don't think it's possible.

What we've found is that Wii owners, plus everyone else with a brain (i personally don't own one) understands that the graphics are not what the wii's about. There's just a few who just try to wind everyone else up.

I'd close it myself and have done..

I'll lock it if there's a good amount of people who consider it dead.

Who's up for that?

Its a thread of legacy, I wouldnt lock it. This thread is full of history.

Its a thread of legacy, I wouldnt lock it. This thread is full of history.

Which is exactly why I didn't just lock it right away. Taking on a 39 page deep thread is intimidating. :grin:

Which is exactly why I didn't just lock it right away. Taking on a 38 page deep thread is intimidating. :grin:

39 page now.

I dont think it should be locked straight away, however if there is anymore pointless abuse like that we have seen then it should go.

This thread needs to be about the wii,
Not just pointless swearing and insults.

I just dont want this thread giving off a bad impression of what we're about to any guests who read this 39 page thread. Thats all I'm thinking.

then noone post here until a wii hater arives.

You know I'm surprised Tomyg hasn't posted any of his wii hate here yet.

then noone post here until a wii hater arives.

The Wii is hot garbage, it's just some little piece of technology preying on casual gamers and the elderly.

The Wii is hot garbage, it's just some little piece of technology preying on casual gamers and the elderly.

Oh I hope that was scarcasm.
If not, please bring a valid argument, not just ranting.

You said you wanted a wii hater, didn't specify whether it needed to make sense.

So do you actually mean you hate the wii or not?

Yes lock it. Whatever had to be said about the Wii's graphics has been said. Now the only on topic things we could say would just be repetitions of whatever someone else said. And trolls love to try and stir things up with Wii people.

And also. The number of pages on a thread is relevant to how many posts show per page. Which can be different depending on your own user settings. I have 24 pages total. So I'd say that counting posts is more... valid than counting pages.... Yeah, just something that I wanted to say. >_<

Ok, it's easy to see that this thread is pretty much gone to a standstill, apart from some posts that don't help the cause at all.

In other words, I'm locking it.

Just to be clear guys... there have been a lot of (seemingly deliberate) attempts and trolling and flamebaiting on the forums... this thread seems to have succumbed to it.

I'm opening this thread back up in case someone wants to discuss the topic without devolving into flaming and trolling. What will happen if that happens is you will be handled instead of this thread.

Respect each other (and the ability to have differing opinions) and all should be fine. Policing people sucks, but it can be done.

Obligatory "Why can't we all just get along?" :lol:

Oh God,why does this thread had to be opened again.The only thing this will bring are Wii haters speaking nonesense.

Oh and yes I am not a big fan of the Wii.

I for one am happy the thread is open again.

indeed!


and kiljoy, do you hate the wii because of its graphcs? if so, why?

Isnt the whole point of this incredible entertainment system is to get the whole family around playing Wii tennis and then having a big fight after on who was the best player??
Not many 10-16 year olds actually want to play Wii bowling with their mothers and *** kids dont count.
Isnt the whole point of this incredible entertainment system to focus completely on the awesome game play and not on the gamecube graphics ? well thats BS this is the next-gen which is meant to be pushing the boundaries in graphics and not focusing on beating the sh*t out of your grandmother in Wii boxing!?!
Basically the Wii is shit with its crappy games,controls and not to mention graphics.

the graphics may be bad, but the control scheme is not something to be made fun of. when a game that is made for the wii (not a port) is released, it generally has great controls. And does graphics reaqlly count towards having fun.

oh yeah, and wii sports isn't the only wii game out there.

Well Nintendo can thank the world that more people play games then 11-16 year olds. :)

Course when I hear some of the conversations on XBL, I wonder with other systems. :lol:

Wii's are cheap, and crappy, like the podcasts. Just kiddin doc. But honestly, my grandmother has one!!!!

I think it is because some people don't care about graphics, they just care about how fun the games are.:lol:

i dislike when my flat mate goes, the graphics i pretty good for <insert Wii game here>, and i then pick up my game folder with all my cd's out, and can pick any PS2 game and say, the graphics are better on this game, and it will be true.]

also, he tried to say the ds had good graphics for a hand held, so i just looked at him, and he hung his head in shame and walked off

also, he tried to say the ds had good graphics for a hand held, so i just looked at him, and he hung his head in shame and walked offIt does.

Wii fanboys shouldn't need to defend Wii's graphics. Gaming is about enjoyment and you dont need great graphics to be enjoyed. FF VII isn't one of the best rpgs ever made because it runs in 1080p @ 60FPS...

i dislike when my flat mate goes, the graphics i pretty good for <insert Wii game here>, and i then pick up my game folder with all my cd's out, and can pick any PS2 game and say, the graphics are better on this game, and it will be true.]

also, he tried to say the ds had good graphics for a hand held, so i just looked at him, and he hung his head in shame and walked off

Nah... I look at Metroid Prime 3... hell I look at Metroid Prime 2 and it beats pretty much anything the PS2 offers (FF12 MIGHT give it a run... might).

Id include Galaxy too, but not after seeing the ending... wow... just wow... they must have done that with earlier sprites the the game!

but I agree about the DS graphically... oh well, though....

To me the wii is just a party system and a system for casual gamers, their are some other games out (some may have come out while I was away) but it seems like it was way overhyped.

There's nothing wrong with a party system... that's largely what I use my 360 for... Rock Band and GH 3.

The Wii's a'ight for what it is. Folks wanting compelling HD FPS with 5.1 surround sound are going to call it an EPIC FAIL while other folks more focused on fun than specs are likely to have a great time with a few friends and a good multiplayer game.

dont hate on the wii its the best selling console

I don't hate it because it's a party system, I think it does a damn good job of being one, I just feel that that is all it is.

And I think you are wrong. Personally, I think it has made it's mark on controls from here on out... now the question is will developers realize exactly what they've been handed now and from here on out.

FPS games: Play Metroid Prime 3. Now imagine this SAME game, where you are standing on a platform that reads your weight distribution to decide how you're character has possitioned their body! THIS is the future.

RTS games: FINALLY, a controller for a console that's a NATURAL FIT for it. THIS is the future

Driving games: Turn it on it's side and the "Wii Wheel" to add effect. THIS is the future.

3rd person action: Include an attachment so you can also use a more standard controller, and STILL have all these features. THIS is the future.

THIS is why the Wii is not only successful now, but vital in the long run to the industry.

I disagree, 1st of all they were not the first to use this tech, (though I admit they did the best job of marketing it) and after using it I don't see it as being the future.

Wii is just a fun system it gives you a break from the games that sometimes get you pissed off. It also is a system you can just hangout with friends and have a good times with

I disagree, 1st of all they were not the first to use this tech, (though I admit they did the best job of marketing it) and after using it I don't see it as being the future.

Well no, they never claimed to be the first... just the best. :lol: And perhaps most thorough. But how can you not see it when MS is appearntly working on a clone controller... and Sony immediately added motion control to the PS3 controller? THAT tells me they noticed.

I have a Wii. The grahpics suck. Point proven.

They never claimed it, but I still have to put up with people who think they came up with the idea, and the other systems are not using full motion control, it's more of an add on and I don't think it will get past that.

I have a Wii. The grahpics suck. Point proven.

I really didn't want to wade into this debate. Really, I didn't. I was more than happy to moderate it, but this post was just too good to miss. So I'm going to let you read the community consenus. The opinions expressed within these threads say more than I ever could.

I have never heard a Wii fan, boy or girl, defend the Wii's admittedly inferior graphics. In fact, most acknowledge the point. What I have heard them defend against however, is the notion that, simply because it is different, and lacks slightly in one area, the Wii is 'crappy'. I'll leave the final word to kingofnoland:

Good graphics can help a game be good.
but bad graphics do not hinder a game...

I don't have an issue with the graphics - in fact, the Wii is the only reason I use the composite port on my screen. Yes, composite.

Graphics are not the be-all and end-all of a system. My PS3 has lovely shiny graphics, but the games are crappy and the interface irritates me - most probably I won't appreciate those until wipEout HD comes out and my PS3 gets it's annual week of use. My 360 has great graphics, and that's nice when I'm playing a game that properly uses them (Lost Odyssey, for example), not so much when I'm playing an Arcade game. My Wii has basic graphics, and it doesn't need anything more - most of the games are relatively "cartoon-y" and don't warrant anti-aliasing, high refresh rates or extended color palettes.

Did you hate your SNES for not having better graphics than the Neo Geo? No, because the games were fun and they were very different systems. Same thing here, it's not a competition over who provides the best package, they're simply operating in different arenas.

And I think you are wrong. Personally, I think it has made it's mark on controls from here on out... now the question is will developers realize exactly what they've been handed now and from here on out.

FPS games: Play Metroid Prime 3. Now imagine this SAME game, where you are standing on a platform that reads your weight distribution to decide how you're character has possitioned their body! THIS is the future.

RTS games: FINALLY, a controller for a console that's a NATURAL FIT for it. THIS is the future

Driving games: Turn it on it's side and the "Wii Wheel" to add effect. THIS is the future.

3rd person action: Include an attachment so you can also use a more standard controller, and STILL have all these features. THIS is the future.

THIS is why the Wii is not only successful now, but vital in the long run to the industry.

see, i dont want this, i want my controller and motion control is fine once in a while during a game, but i dont want to play the whole thing with my arms pointed at a screen, im too lazy for that.

the wii wheel for mario kart wasnt very good, as in the controls, they just arent good, plus, i would use a wheel on a ps3 or 360, let alone a wii.

and i found the fps controls annoying for metroid, i know everyone else likes them, im just old fashioned

see, i dont want this, i want my controller and motion control is fine once in a while during a game, but i dont want to play the whole thing with my arms pointed at a screen, im too lazy for that.

the wii wheel for mario kart wasnt very good, as in the controls, they just arent good, plus, i would use a wheel on a ps3 or 360, let alone a wii.

and i found the fps controls annoying for metroid, i know everyone else likes them, im just old fashioned

Havent played Mario Kart yet, but it changes little. Some love the control scheme, and some hate it, but it is popular enough it wont be ignored.

Now Im not saying analog will go away. If anything I expect the PS4 to have a control scheme similar to a mockup Ive seen of a prototype before the wiimote... basically a standard PS controller that one side can be split off and has the wiimote capability.

And btw, I personally cant stand analog in an FPS. It doesnt feel like Im directly controlling it enough for me. Keyboard and Mouse is still #1 for me, but the Wiimote is a damn close second.

I have a Wii. The grahpics suck. Point proven.

hahahaha, yesssssssssss! ignorance FTW! way to read the thread before posting! it's becoming common practice around here lately...

Thats what fanboys do.

What I have heard them defend against however, is the notion that, simply because it is different, and lacks slightly in one area, the Wii is 'crappy'. I'll leave the final word to kingofnoland:

I have never been so honoured.. :grin:

But yeah who seriously feels the point of the wii is it's graphics?

Exactly.

I think the problem is, people are trying to see the Wii as a next gen consol,,, its not... its just a consol thats been made by nintendo. If people stop seeing or trying to see it as a next gen, then people will stop giveing bad reveiews. its a fun gamering flatform. Its not like it has next gen graphics, or even HD. The reason why people are trying to see it as a next gen is because it came out almost at the same time as the 360 and PS 2.5 (lol) sorry 360 joke.

I dont have one but have played on one, but if I had kids then I would go out and get one, as I know kids love them. My brother whom I brought one for has 3 kids, and they all love it. Even the youngest whos 4 doesnt really know what to do but still loves flayling the controler around and getting things to move on the Screen.

Its still a fun console, its the other fanboys (xbots and PS2.5 fanboys) who are jealous of the Wii's sales.

Ye don't you hate it when people hate consoles for no reason? :wink2:

Why do 360 and Ps3 fanboys needlessly attack them? :undecided:

Why do 360 and Ps3 fanboys needlessly attack them? :undecided:

boredom.

and the need to justify their purchase by insulting others purchases

and because pissing off nintendo fanboys is funny. You know it is.

and because pissing off nintendo fanboys is funny. You know it is.

but that's not what this board is for...