SG-PSP Episode 3: The Fog Of War
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Rothbart, Frawlz, and PacManPolarBear are back for Episode 3 of the Sarcastic Gamer Playstation Podcast.

This week, along with the obligatory Celsius/Fahrenheit argument, we talked about:
The UK Guys Rock, The US Guys Rock Too (although a little less)
Frawlz goes color crazy!
Rothbart’s new “box”
Continuing News (housekeeping from Ep. 2)
Frawlz hates Skype and Starbucks?
PacMan’s R-Type Command Spoiler Impressions
The Fog of War… meets… The Funk of War
PS3 as viewed by 360 owners and non-360 owners
PacMan assigned to earn neighbor’s Achievements?!
Rockstar’s rumble rarely roars
Lost in translation (Kojima and Pacman!)
Shoutouts and thank yous!
PacMan lays the smack down on the US and Belize
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They keep getting better and better! I don't even own a Playstation and I enjoy this podcast more than I should. Keep it up guys and I'll breakdown and buy a PS3 just to feel like to truly belong.

Heh, great show, they do indeed get better. Oh and Frawlz, at least you got my name right! :lol:

oh and as for the MGS4 bundle, the gun metal version will only be available at Konami's website (and i guess it is only for Americans).

We had a double post of the same thread!

All taken care off!!! :cool2:

LOL, yeah... it was my first time posting the "podcast" thread... I didn't even think about the "Sarcastic Gamer Podcast" forum... I misplaced my thread in the News section... that's what happens when I stay up way too late getting the graphic/post ready... at least Frawlz and Pacman have me covered by being up early (and in a different time zone) to clean up my mess... :lol: :thumbsup:

Alright, I am about to step on some toes I know but I have some things to say. It doesn't happen often that I have some things to say, but today I have some things to say. Flame me or whatever you want, but I still have some things to lay out there for you guys.

First of all, let me say that I did enjoy the podcast. Hats off to you guys doing this because I don't think I could do a podcast or sound like a good host. Even though I didn't enjoy all the content in the podcast, I did enjoy the show. I laughed several times and it was entertaining. I will listen again and positive review the show on iTunes and the whole 9.

With that understanding I have some things to mention that I think you guys should hear.

First, it sounds a lot like you guys are really coming down hard on US or Americans. I know you probably don't mean to, but I don't think that is a great idea to gain popularity. I love the UK and I have a lot of friends there, but lets not forget that this is America and most of your supporters or listeners probably will be from the US. Maybe that is not accurate, but I am just taking a wild guess there.

Secondly, I noticed that one of your topics was pointing out the problems with GTA IV on the PS3. For a show that wants to point out how superior the PS3 is over the 360 we failed to mention that the 360 version of GTA IV has almost NO problems and millions of people are getting online and playing millions of GTA IV multiplayer matches without any problems. Just a point, not a rant, just a point. Also, I noticed PMPB was saying don't buy this game or that game for the PSP I think it was. If you're going to argue the Sony advantage over MS shouldn't you be promoting to buy the games regardless? Just kidding there, I know you wouldn't recommend a crappy game.

PMPB, I love you man, because you are a great writer. Your articles are awesome and you seem to be in tune with a lot of news going on, but I have something to say to you.

YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT ACHIEVEMENTS BECAUSE YOU DON'T OWN A 360.

I'm sorry, someone had to say it. Also, it's important to note that you don't own an Xbox 360 OR a Playstation 3. How can you comment with any type of credentials on either system without even making the investment of one or the other? I know that money is tight, look at how expensive all of these systems are, but if you are going to take a side, you should have the money to invest in it first. That's just my opinion. Also, you care more about PC gaming than you do about console gaming which is ok, but this whole SG site was founded around consoles and Lono, Dave, and Doc downing the PS3. The whole site has been structured around consoles. The SG nights and the community began around gaming nights on the XBOX 360, not the PS3. Why might you ask this happened? It happened simply because the PS3 network doesn't support all the features and functions that make SG gaming night work.

Also, don't you play WoW? You mean to tell me that you play WoW and you care at all for achievements or gamerscore? Isn't the whole point of playing a MMORPG is to gain levels and stats and items and equipment and friends? Wouldn't those stats and levels be the same thing as achievements and gamerscores? You mean to tell me that you play WoW and your character is level 1? LOL, a little razzing there PMPB, don't take offense.

I just want to reiterate here that you probably should follow the cliche of "Don't knock it before you try it," as far as the 360 goes and achievements and the like.

Overall, I will continue to listen to the show and I want to make it plain and clear here that I am not attempting to flame anyone and that the show is good. You guys are good on the show together and I hope you all keep up the hard work.

Thanks!

~Good show again guys.

My itunes name isn't that hard, its just tao and eros put together :angry:

Fantastic guys the podcast is fantastic and I cant wait for the next one. And yeah us UK fans are the best.

Adyxx: I think you have a ton of valid points, but I've got to disagree about the validity of PMPB's gaming opinions. He may not yet own a PS3, but he's used it, played games on it and knows more about video games in general, than most of the writers on this site.

Plus he does own a PSP and it is the PLAYSTATION podcast.

@ ADYX....

Thank you for hitting us up with a positive review! Fantastic!

But I do have to let you know that we are trying to talk less about the 360 and bring up the PS3 more... Since we are a PS3 show. Now I understand that we cannot escape the fact that the 360 will be brought up every once and a while, but it will always have a tie in with the PS3.

We understand that GTA4 is running fine on the 360... but if you want to hear about that... then that’s why we have the Red (BIG) Show.

Pacman is a "tell it how it is" kind of guy. Where he does not own a console... he does have tons of professional and tournament knowledge. He is also an expert with the PSP. The guy owns two of them. Damn.

With a lot of cross-pollination between the PS3 and the PSP, the people who listen want to hear more PSP talk. He would be the residential expert on the subject. Example: have you ever heard of a PSP tournament? Well... now everyone has.

Also remember this is number 3. As the shows go on, you will see it change and the members of itunes and the people on this forum have a say in that. We do this show for you guys.

So thank you for the feedback!!!! Keep em coming!

@ Lono

I can't tell you a flippin thing about the PSP. I have a PSP and a couple of games for the PSP but I am far from an expert. But here's the thing, if I didn't own a PSP I wouldn't step up and say how the PSP competitor is not as good as the PSP. For example, I wouldn't step up and give comments on how the Nintendo DS is SOOO much worse that the PSP when I don't even own a DS. Not saying that PMPB is exactly doing anything like that. I am just making a broad comparison.

Again, PMPB is a great writer and I wouldn't pretend to be as great as he is on the podcast because I know I couldn't do it. I also wouldn't pretend to be a better writer because I know I'm not. I'm not attempting to toss anything disrespectful his way at all, but I am making a point here.

And as much as I hate to disagree with Lono (and everyone knows he hates that too) I have to stand on my original argument. If you don't own an Xbox 360 OR a Playstation 3 you really have no credentials to stand on in a comparison of the two systems.

Sorry Lono, don't hate me :P

@ Frawlz

As I said before, the show was great. I tagged it with a great review on iTunes and I will continue to listen. I know it is only the third show, and it's pretty amazing that you guys are as good as you are for the third show.

I like PMPB's "tell it how it is" style and I think he should continue to do what works. No problem with any of you guys. My point is still, you don't have credentials to stand up and say this system is better, or that system is worse when you don't own either one of them. I'm not bashing his abilities or opinions, those opinions about the 360 are still his opinions and I would continue to listen to the show and give it great ratings regardless if he likes the 360 or not.

Also, I would hope that you talk less about the 360 on a PS3 podcast! LOL

Great show guys, don't take this the wrong way please!

Thanks!

Alright, I am about to step on some toes I know but I have some things to say.

Nah man, if we couldn't handle criticism, why would we even do this? I always value others' input. I realize I would be able to (or necessarily want to) accommodate it all, but I do like to receive it.

First, it sounds a lot like you guys are really coming down hard on US or Americans.

Personally, I prescribe to the "it's okay to make fun of yourself" line of comedy. I don't take anything I say that could possibly be considered "bad" about America or Americans to be bad... rather, we're tossing one to the UK guys. Whether it's better support, less competition, whatever... their reviews got us to #1 on the UK iTunes Gaming Podcast list and they deserve props for their outstanding support. Any comments (written or verbal) agains the US guys were in jest. I don't consider this to be a very big issue... the comment was intended to spur a patriotic movement to get comments from the US listeners anyway... one of those "We'll show those guys how to support a podcast!" rally.

Secondly, I noticed that one of your topics was pointing out the problems with GTA IV on the PS3. For a show that wants to point out how superior the PS3 is over the 360 we failed to mention that the 360 version of GTA IV has almost NO problems and millions of people are getting online and playing millions of GTA IV multiplayer matches without any problems. Just a point, not a rant, just a point.

Two things... first, we've mentioned that 360 owners have had problems, but secondly... regardless of "the funny" regardless of being themed as a "Playstation" podcast, we're not going to paint roses over everything if they're not deserved. I hate podcasts and people that gloss over issues. If there's an issue with a PS3 game and it affects one of us, we're going to talk about it. It's not the Sarcastic Gamer Pro Playstation Podcast. I hope that people will value the "straight shooting" aspect of that more than the fanboys who only want positive news.

On the topic of games/developers... if there are issues with their games, we're going to talk about them. I've always been willing to admit/discuss faults on the PS3 despite being accused of being a fanboy more times than I can count.

I know you wouldn't recommend a crappy game.
I know you were joking, but just for clarity's sake... we won't recommend ANYTHING we don't believe in...

I'm sorry, someone had to say it. Also, it's important to note that you don't own an Xbox 360 OR a Playstation 3. How can you comment with any type of credentials on either system without even making the investment of one or the other?

He's played more GTA IV than I have on his buddy's PS3... he's got access to systems and games, he's mentioned that on many occasions. Physically "owning" is much less important than "hours logged". I think PacMan has represented his points adequately and while he doesn't own a 360 or PS3 (yet), as someone that does, I've never been to the point where I thought anything he said wasn't adequately backed up by experience.

but this whole SG site was founded around consoles and Lono, Dave, and Doc downing the PS3.

Hmmm... I'm gonna have to throw a flag down there man. Maybe had you said "podcast," referring to the Red show, but not the site. I was here long before Lono and Dave... long before there was a podcast. It was most definitely founded around making light of gaming news and putting a sarcastic twang to it.

The whole site has been structured around consoles. The SG nights and the community began around gaming nights on the XBOX 360, not the PS3. Why might you ask this happened? It happened simply because the PS3 network doesn't support all the features and functions that make SG gaming night work.

Wow, I'm gonna have to throw another flag down there man. It has nothing to do with PSN... it has to do simply with how many people want to play 360 games versus the (much lower) number of folks that want to play PS3 games each weekend. We've had successful SG PS3 gamer nights... by your reasoning, that wouldn't be possibly because the network doesn't support the features to make that possible... nah, it's down to sheer numbers as the reason. The numbers are shifting, but I think your reasoning is wrong.

Overall, I will continue to listen to the show and I want to make it plain and clear here that I am not attempting to flame anyone and that the show is good. You guys are good on the show together and I hope you all keep up the hard work.

Ditto, my remarks aren't flames against you but I think you've got a couple things wrong there... ;) Thanks for listening and especially thanks for taking the time to leave feedback. I personally appreciate it. :thumbsup:

Dang it, I still can't do that multiple quote thing and it pisses me off sometimes! lol...so I am going to copy and paste not to quote you but to show you which parts I am responding to....

"Hmmm... I'm gonna have to throw a flag down there man. Maybe had you said "podcast," referring to the Red show, but not the site. I was here long before Lono and Dave... long before there was a podcast. It was most definitely founded around making light of gaming news and putting a sarcastic twang to it."

Well, I agree because what you said is the truth....BUT....you have to admit that Sarcastic Gamer went mainstream over the parodies around the parody about "How You Killed Your Brand." That's what the site went mainstream for, consoles and the sarcasm around them? I mean, isn't that right? I'm not making a big deal of it, I support the site one way or the other.

"On the topic of games/developers... if there are issues with their games, we're going to talk about them. I've always been willing to admit/discuss faults on the PS3 despite being accused of being a fanboy more times than I can count."


This is a major reason why I listen to your podcasts, all of them. You guys really do talk about the issues good and bad of the games. I hope you wouldn't change a thing there. So I agree with you but I am adding to that stating that if you are going to talk down a system, game or whatever make sure you talk it down for valid reasons. That's all I'm saying.

"He's played more GTA IV than I have on his buddy's PS3... he's got access to systems and games, he's mentioned that on many occasions. Physically "owning" is much less important than "hours logged". I think PacMan has represented his points adequately and while he doesn't own a 360 or PS3 (yet), as someone that does, I've never been to the point where I thought anything he said wasn't adequately backed up by experience."

Well, I'm gonna have to throw down a flag here. You can't be a commenter on a system's value for masses of people (albeit three thousand but it's growing right!) without some serious, late-night, just me and my game system action. I'm sorry, but there is not anyone who will take someone's word about a game system from someone else who has just tried or borrowed someone elses. It's about putting the time AND the commitment into a game system. I think anyone who has watched people review games on TV would agree with me when they learn that the people writing the reviews don't even play the games. How can you review a game or system and not even play the thing? I know PMPB has played a lot, or so you guys have said he has and that's good enough for me. But he should spend some quality time on his own system before he throws down the negatives on a different one. That's just my opinion.

"We've had successful SG PS3 gamer nights... by your reasoning, that wouldn't be possibly because the network doesn't support the features to make that possible... nah, it's down to sheer numbers as the reason. The numbers are shifting, but I think your reasoning is wrong.
"

Well, I wouldn't know because I don't run the SG gamer nights as you guys do, so I guess I am talking over my head there. I'm just stating what appears to be going on to me, it might not be that way for everyone.

I hate to make such long posts about this, I really didn't want this to be a big deal, and I hope you guys don't take offense because I love the site and the community and ALL the podcasts!

Dang it, I still can't do that multiple quote thing and it pisses me off sometimes! lol...so I am going to copy and paste not to quote you but to show you which parts I am responding to....

For the multi-part quotes, just quote once and the copy/paste the appropriate parts before each section of the message you want to quote and put after each individual section you want to quote...

I'll generally quote the entire article, go through and copy the part right before the sections I want to address, then go back and make sure each of those has a matching , deleting any extra or unwanted text. Then when I've got all the quotes blocked out, I'll reply to each subsection.

It's not that hard after you've done it a couple times... it was more work typing this description than actually doing it since you're largely just cutting/pasting two tags.

Anywayyyyyyyy.............

Good show but I disagree with you as far as the PS3 better then the 360.....I have both systems and the connectivity on the XBOX is flat out better then Sony's. Your getting more over on LIVE then over on PSN. It's way too much work trying to send invites out on the ps3 and its not community friendly. I like achievements but it doesn't matter to me. I'll buy a game on the XBOX over the PS3 anyday cause how easy it is to play with friends among other things.

Just want to ask,

For how many episodes will you be the New voice of the playstation community, and what will you be afterwards?

Great show though..

We will be "The Voice" of the Playstation community.

I have no idea how many episodes... That is up to the listeners.

Any questions?

Your getting more over on LIVE then over on PSN.

It all comes down to personal preference and frame of reference. For someone that says they don't value Live Gold because they don't really play online multiplayer games (usually), then the nicer "invites" system probably isn't going to be the top item to sway them into saying "Oh yeah, nevermind, Xbox Live is worth it!" ;)

Where I fall in this whole thing is if someone can validate it for themselves either way, then great for them... but their values aren't necessarily mine... so I'll respect your views as long as you respect mine.

and what will you be afterwards?

I'm pretty sure we're slated to be the reapers of death, but I'll have to get back to you on that one. :evil:

Well, I agree because what you said is the truth....BUT....you have to admit that Sarcastic Gamer went mainstream over the parodies around the parody about "How You Killed Your Brand." That's what the site went mainstream for, consoles and the sarcasm around them? I mean, isn't that right? I'm not making a big deal of it, I support the site one way or the other.


Oddly, that's what brought me to this site in the first place... and I only owned a PS3 at the time.

A friend of mine showed me the song because I was an early adopter of the PS3, and it was a very, very slow start. I still found the song funny, and decided to join the community, and I'm really glad that I did.

Another great show guys! Just a little beefed that It wasn't up around midnight last night. I was waiting to listen to it before I went to bed. *shakes fist at Rothbart*

Another great show guys! Just a little beefed that It wasn't up around midnight last night. I was waiting to listen to it before I went to bed. *shakes fist at Rothbart*

You should've been at my house... it was up before midnight here! :lol:

It all comes down to personal preference and frame of reference. For someone that says they don't value Live Gold because they don't really play online multiplayer games (usually), then the nicer "invites" system probably isn't going to be the top item to sway them into saying "Oh yeah, nevermind, Xbox Live is worth it!" ;)

If you own a Xbox 360 or a PS3 and you're not playing online multiplayer in some form or another you really should re-examine why you bought either system. If you want just single player action, there are plenty of old style consoles out there to play on.

Personally, I think if you take the time to come online and post about your gaming experiences and offer tips or tricks to improve other people's gaming experiences you really have to be familiar with online MP action in at least some form or fashion.

If you want to be taken seriously, you gotta be willing to mix it up online.

EDIT: I guess my brother sums it up best in his 16yr old version when he says: "Either bring it all or go home." lol

If you own a Xbox 360 or a PS3 and you're not playing online multiplayer in some form or another you really should re-examine why you bought either system. If you want just single player action, there are plenty of old style consoles out there to play on.

You were doing so good earlier...

If you want to be taken seriously, you gotta be willing to mix it up online.

Then don't take me seriously then because THE MAJORITY of what I've experienced online (even on the "superior" Xbox Live) is a pain in my ass. Ranging from simply being outclassed in every aspect of skill/gameplay in a particular game (making it Not Fun™) to being in the middle of a WTF-CF wondering who these idiots are and what mothers let their children talk/behave like that... making it NotFun™. With single player gaming, it's me and what the developer designed for me... no 12-yr old asshats on a cursathon, no cheaters, no Achievement Whores playing their own little "game within a game", no glitchers/cheaters, no "I'm so serious about this you had BETTER not F*** it up!" gung-ho guys, no chatty-Cathy's wanting to talk about their day, nobody showing be their weiner while playing Uno, etc.

It's truly closed-minded to think that someone that owns either of those two systems needs to play online multiplayer to be taken seriously... you've effectively pissed on the entire single-player library of both systems with a comment like that... I'm just sayin'...

Maybe you need to play online multiplayer games to justify your purchases, but I don't. Plain and simple. I don't try to push my values onto others, but I'll justify why I hold them.

My consoles are hooked to the net for content, not multiplayer. I do play online multiplayer from time to time (predominantly just Warhawk -- and most of the time as an individual without my headset turned on.) The only time I'll get excited about multiplayer is a casual gamernight with the guys from SG/GCN.

BTW, suggesting someone check out an older system if they're only interested in single player gaming... that's the kind of comment that'll get all sorts of people upset with ya...

You should've been at my house... it was up before midnight here! :lol:

Which is why you shouldn't have any excuse... What the hell were you doing at 10 that you couldn't put it up? :lol:

Then don't take me seriously then because THE MAJORITY of what I've experienced online (even on the "superior" Xbox Live) is a pain in my ass. Ranging from simply being outclassed in every aspect of skill/gameplay in a particular game (making it Not Fun™) to being in the middle of a WTF-CF wondering who these idiots are and what mothers let their children talk/behave like that... making it NotFun™. With single player gaming, it's me and what the developer designed for me... no 12-yr old asshats on a cursathon, no cheaters, no Achievement Whores playing their own little "game within a game", no glitchers/cheaters, no "I'm so serious about this you had BETTER not F*** it up!" gung-ho guys, no chatty-Cathy's wanting to talk about their day, nobody showing be their weiner while playing Uno, etc.

It's truly closed-minded to think that someone that owns either of those two systems needs to play online multiplayer to be taken seriously... you've effectively pissed on the entire single-player library of both systems with a comment like that... I'm just sayin'...

Maybe you need to play online multiplayer games to justify your purchases, but I don't. Plain and simple. I don't try to push my values onto others, but I'll justify why I hold them.

My consoles are hooked to the net for content, not multiplayer. I do play online multiplayer from time to time (predominantly just Warhawk -- and most of the time as an individual without my headset turned on.) The only time I'll get excited about multiplayer is a casual gamernight with the guys from SG/GCN.

BTW, suggesting someone check out an older system if they're only interested in single player gaming... that's the kind of comment that'll get all sorts of people upset with ya...

Apparently all of the single player games like Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Oblivion, Lost Odyssey, Assassin's Creed... etc, are a waste of time then :roll:
Damn... that sure cuts my library in half...

I'm pretty sure we're slated to be the reapers of death, but I'll have to get back to you on that one. :evil:

Now, that's me. I confirmed that when I signed the contract this morning.

You should've been at my house... it was up before midnight here! :lol:

get Paul Christy, cause that's a dick move.

Then don't take me seriously then because THE MAJORITY of what I've experienced online (even on the "superior" Xbox Live) is a pain in my ass. Ranging from simply being outclassed in every aspect of skill/gameplay in a particular game (making it Not Fun™) to being in the middle of a WTF-CF wondering who these idiots are and what mothers let their children talk/behave like that... making it NotFun™. With single player gaming, it's me and what the developer designed for me... no 12-yr old asshats on a cursathon, no cheaters, no Achievement Whores playing their own little "game within a game", no glitchers/cheaters, no "I'm so serious about this you had BETTER not F*** it up!" gung-ho guys, no chatty-Cathy's wanting to talk about their day, nobody showing be their weiner while playing Uno, etc.

First of all, you'll notice the multi-quote functionality (hopefully)! lol Lemme just say that I agree with you on all of the above so not even gonna comment on that much.

It's truly closed-minded to think that someone that owns either of those two systems needs to play online multiplayer to be taken seriously... you've effectively pissed on the entire single-player library of both systems with a comment like that... I'm just sayin'...

It might be closed minded to think that way, but you have to admit that you do take people seriously just because they play against other people....wasn't that part of your defense of PMPB? .....I'm just sayin'.... :P

Maybe you need to play online multiplayer games to justify your purchases, but I don't. Plain and simple. I don't try to push my values onto others, but I'll justify why I hold them.

I don't have to justify my purchases, to myself or anyone for that matter. I justify my purchases because I wanted to buy them. It certainly adds to the value of my games that I plan on playing them online and it makes the games value hold for a lot longer. For example, how many people would have bought Halo 3 with no MP? How many people would have complained about no MP for CoD4 after the CoD4 beta? How many people play these games online? Millions.

BTW, suggesting someone check out an older system if they're only interested in single player gaming... that's the kind of comment that'll get all sorts of people upset with ya...

You know what, they can get upset, it's ok because I am only telling you the truth. The world is a social network these days and MP gaming is where the action is at. We all know it, even if we don't like playing online a lot and listening to others spew their crap over Xbox Live (which I agreed earlier).

Look, all I am saying is that anyone who plays these systems is missing out on a lot of content if they ignore the MP aspects of their systems. I don't know many people who own a 360 or a PS3 for that matter and its not connected to the internet. And they don't connect it for content, they connect it for MP gaming.

YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT ACHIEVEMENTS BECAUSE YOU DON'T OWN A 360.

I'm sorry, someone had to say it. Also, it's important to note that you don't own an Xbox 360 OR a Playstation 3. How can you comment with any type of credentials on either system without even making the investment of one or the other?

That's just my opinion. Also, you care more about PC gaming than you do about console gaming which is ok, but this whole SG site was founded around consoles and Lono, Dave, and Doc downing the PS3. The whole site has been structured around consoles. The SG nights and the community began around gaming nights on the XBOX 360, not the PS3. Why might you ask this happened? It happened simply because the PS3 network doesn't support all the features and functions that make SG gaming night work.

Also, don't you play WoW? You mean to tell me that you play WoW and you care at all for achievements or gamerscore? Isn't the whole point of playing a MMORPG is to gain levels and stats and items and equipment and friends? Wouldn't those stats and levels be the same thing as achievements and gamerscores? You mean to tell me that you play WoW and your character is level 1? LOL, a little razzing there PMPB, don't take offense.

I just want to reiterate here that you probably should follow the cliche of "Don't knock it before you try it," as far as the 360 goes and achievements and the like.


Wow. I have played, extensively, on every single console. I even had a 360, in my home, for over (of and on) 6 months (pre-ish SG) (not too mention gaming on one on my own or with friends all the time). While the 360 was in house the account was basically mine by default since I was paying for it and could have kept it if I chose to. I don't care about achievements because I DON'T CARE ABOUT THEM. PERIOD.

SG 360 gaming nighs happened first because that is the console that the hosts owned first, that simple. PS3 Gaming nights will come as that community grows.

How can you tell ME what I care about? That does not even make sense. Your telling me every 360 owner actually cares about them? I know for a fact that is not true. And where the hell did the WoW stuff come from? I'm not a WoW fan by any stretch of the imagination, and while I have played it, I do so ONLY so that I may game with my younger family members and friends (the only attraction I see in MMO's really) so your whole WoW logic holds no weight whatsoever.

"Don't knock it before you try it," Well since I have tried it, I do knock it. I take no offense, but if I had never used a 360, or achievements, or ever paid for XBL, I would not have said anything.

I would like to thank you for your points though really. It exposes me to a perception I had not taken into account, and will be addressed in how I say things in the future. I can't expect everyone to know everything about my gaming experience, and from the outside looking in, I totally get every single thing you wrote.

It should also be said that I plan to buy a 360 before year's end. Not for GamerScore or Achievements, but simply so that I may game with more of the SG community, regardless of platform. I like the PS3 more is all.

Wow. I have played, extensively, on every single console. I even had a 360, in my home, for over (of and on) 6 months (pre-ish SG) (not too mention gaming on one on my own or with friends all the time). While the 360 was in house the account was basically mine by default since I was paying for it and could have kept it if I chose to. I don't care about achievements because I DON'T CARE ABOUT THEM. PERIOD.

SG 360 gaming nighs happened first because that is the console that the hosts owned first, that simple. PS3 Gaming nights will come as that community grows.

How can you tell ME what I care about? That does not even make sense. Your telling me every 360 owner actually cares about them? I know for a fact that is not true. And where the hell did the WoW stuff come from? I'm not a WoW fan by any stretch of the imagination, and while I have played it, I do so ONLY so that I may game with my younger family members and friends (the only attraction I see in MMO's really) so your whole WoW logic holds no weight whatsoever.

"Don't knock it before you try it," Well since I have tried it, I do knock it. I take no offense, but if I had never used a 360, or achievements, or ever paid for XBL, I would not have said anything.

I would like to thank you for your points though really. It exposes me to a perception I had not taken into account, and will be addressed in how I say things in the future. I can't expect everyone to know everything about my gaming experience, and from the outside looking in, I totally get every single thing you wrote.

It should also be said that I plan to buy a 360 before year's end. Not for GamerScore or Achievements, but simply so that I may game with more of the SG community, regardless of platform. I like the PS3 more is all.

I'm not attempting to tell you what you care about, it was just a statement about what I (and possibly others) might have thought about why you said you don't care for achievements or gamerscore. I, nor anyone else, knows what you care about unless you tell us and I don't want to presume so.

I got the Wow stuff from articles you have written in the past about WoW. I didn't state that you DID in fact play and I know it, I asked, "Don't you play WoW?"

I wasn't trying offend you or anyone.

It is very apparent that no one on this site gives a crap about what anyone else says unless they agree with you. I thought that wasn't the point of this site. I, as before, have just pinned it wrong. You guys are all right. All the opinions, statements, judgments, assumptions and statements are all the God's honest truth and I'm sorry I disagreed.

^ Ouch dude, ouch. It's been a long day. If I came off condescending, I am really really sorry.

Seriously though, nothing you said was wrong in any way. How can I expect you to know things I have not said? I'm sure your points ARE shared by other listeners, and the need to stay focused on that is important. More than anything else, these (your) posts are what shape how I will go about saying things. I do feel the need to explain myself, but my explanation in no way invalidates your points, it simply sheds light on the "Why."

Naw, it's ok. I'm tired of arguing my points to everyone. I would have loved to post back and forth with you PMPB but I simply don't care anymore.

It's just a freakin video game. Life's too short.

Later SG.

Wow, we haven't had a good back and forth like that in the forums in a while. Welcome back Ady!

You've got to remember though, if you have a point of view, people will give you their side and back and forth... Especially if you question someone's credibility.

I would just like to point out that your calling me a achievement whore for having 30,000 gamerscore. :(.


Oh & great show guys, & I loved the argument at the end, classic!

Naw, it's ok. I'm tired of arguing my points to everyone. I would have loved to post back and forth with you PMPB but I simply don't care anymore.

It's just a freakin video game. Life's too short.

Later SG.

Or you just realized that Rothbart and PMPB combined arguing power has defeated yours. (Don't feel bad, they have even defeated the mighty Lono once or twice)

:p

Wow, we haven't had a good back and forth like that in the forums in a while.

You do mean you haven't ganged up on someone for a while. Don't you?

Great show but maybe you could stop blaming all of Sony's faults on Microsoft. Its kind of annoying.

Nice, I got a shout out on the podcast (a.k.a. Dalilama)!
Good show guys.
Maybe one day I'll feel the need to buy a PS3, but until then I shall live vicariously through your podcast :lol:

Great episode i look forward to listening to this every week, i played playstation alot, own a playstation two and as soon as school gets out im gonna get a PS3 and spend my summer where i should gaming

Great podcast guys but there was one thing that did piss me off. It pissed me off a great deal since it's such a piss poor excuse as to why a single person wouldn't or shouldn't get an Xbox 360. That being the achievement & gamerscore system. The Xbox 360 has much more appeal than just achievements & gamerscore. Things that were completly disregarded such as its much larger exclusive game base is, the whole IPTV implemention where one can buy shows & rent moves/HD movies for cheap. The Xbox live exp alone is well worth the money. If one can drop $60+ for a new game, they can afford $50 for an entire year of live. If you can't spare under 5 dollars a month, then I feel pretty bad for your financial situation.

The gamerscore & achievement system is a strong selling point for the Xbox 360. It is that kind of system that can get you hooked & it does add replay value to many games. Sure there are achievement whores but that just shows that Microsoft did there job with the gamerscore system. While you guys may rip at it & laugh it off as some kind of Joke, Sony clearly payed a great deal of attention to it. In case you guys don't know, they are implementing a trophy system in Home. It will be pretty much a clone copy of how the achievement & gamerscore system works. Trophies will be displayed in the given players house in home. A accumlative score will company the trophy system. It's something that Sony has been doing with there PS3 system from the start, copying the competition. So while you may have got on the achievement system, be aware that Sony will have a very similar system very soon. You may be called out on for your comments.

I do understand that it is a playstation based podcast & some bias statements or " fanboy " remarks will be said but keep it fair. If you don't already, you guys should listen to the OXM podcast to see how being fair to the competition works. A xbox based podcast that often give credits where its due to Nintendo, Sony or whoever. You guys are doing a good deed to the Sony communiy but be careful when you rip something. Doesn't take much to get some negative feedback from listeners who are not familar with the SG community.

-LatinLegacy

Things that were completly disregarded such as its much larger exclusive game base is, the whole IPTV implemention where one can buy shows & rent moves/HD movies for cheap.

I don't know about you... but I never have used that feature. I don't see a point when I can have a much wider variety of movies and TV shows through Netflix. Netflix is also much better because there is zero time restraint as to when I want to watch a movie, even if it's an instant movie. From what I've heard for the 360, you get X amount of hours to view the movie or you're screwed. Also, I hardly like to buy things from the live place in the first place because of their stupid microsoft points system. It's just a way to scam people out of their money. It would be fine if I could buy as many points as I needed...

But no... They have to be douche bags and give me set points I am allowed to purchase. Perhaps they think that the customers are too stupid to be able to buy the proper amount of points for a purchase. All they're doing is just scamming me out of my money. I'm sitting on 400 odd MS points because of the stupid system, which I refuse to use on gamer pics and themes (Oh look... yet another scam by MS). Funny thing is that they've already gotten my money for that 400 points, plus I wouldn't be surprised if they're getting interest for my points just sitting there... And they still have the nerve to charge for a yearly fee... They're all little things... but they quickly add up to one big pile of shit. (Ask rothbart, I'm sure he'll be glad to tell you everything he loves about MS :lol:)


The gamerscore & achievement system is a strong selling point for the Xbox 360. It is that kind of system that can get you hooked & it does add replay value to many games. Sure there are achievement whores but that just shows that Microsoft did there job with the gamerscore system. While you guys may rip at it & laugh it off as some kind of Joke, Sony clearly payed a great deal of attention to it. In case you guys don't know, they are implementing a trophy system in Home. It will be pretty much a clone copy of how the achievement & gamerscore system works. Trophies will be displayed in the given players house in home. A accumlative score will company the trophy system. It's something that Sony has been doing with there PS3 system from the start, copying the competition. So while you may have got on the achievement system, be aware that Sony will have a very similar system very soon. You may be called out on for your comments.

I don't know where you have been... but this has been discussed already... Achievements = Good
Gamerscore = Bad

I'll be happy to get a trophy for accomplishing something cool in a game... but all adding a gamerscore onto the system is create an E-penis contest.
That's all there is too it... Now if there was some reward for getting so many achievements, or even... Gamerscore points for that matter... then it would be worth it. I would like to be able to unlock something cool in my game because I've unlocked X achievements. It would actually feel like my hard work paid off.

It depends on your situation. Netflix vs IPTV is like snail mail vs e mail. I prefer the faster option obviously. While I can also stream from netflix, I rather have it instantly on my xbox in my living room on my 1080p LCD HDTV rather than my computer LCD monitor. I have FIOS atm so the DL's are very fast. I can go through the trouble of networking the computer to my xbox via Windows Media extender but I don't bother. If anything, my PS3 performs its purpose as a Blu Ray Player when I want my HD movies in a media format =P. I buy those though. I don't rent anything on a physical media.

You & others may say that the gamescore system is bad. You will me living that reality very soon since Sony is pretty much doing the same thing. I'll admit, there approach is kool with being able to place trophies in your virtual home. Down to the core however, it's the same thing with a cherry topping, There will be E Peens on the PS3 running wild soon enough =D.

-LatinLegacy

Lovin the new podcast, even though its bad to be blue but this is the blue that is good for you and thats that.

By far your best podcast, the show is really getting good and the three of you sound a lot more relaxed. The Paul Christy stuff is fantastic.

Which is why you shouldn't have any excuse... What the hell were you doing at 10 that you couldn't put it up? :lol:

Funny thing is that I was creating the post for the show for that last hour or so. You see, we record more than you hear and we never know if a topic has or hasn't made the cut until shortly before you can hear it. I also like to put a little extra work (starting with this episode and moving forward) to customize the graphic that accompanies the post.

After listening to the episode, the graphic has a few little hidden things in it (or things that will make sense that might not have made sense prior to listening). Think of it as "Where's Waldo" for the show. My ultimate goal would be to eventually incorporate most or all of the major topics graphically in the banner... while keeping to a central theme. This sounds great in theory and when pulled off is pretty clever, but it doesn't happen in 5 minutes either.

Next week I'm going to be more prepared by having the text of the post prewritten (which means I'll only be paring it down, removing topics that aren't in the final show) versus waiting for the show to start writing.

You've got to remember though, if you have a point of view, people will give you their side and back and forth... Especially if you question someone's credibility.

Man, you don't have a CLUE what you're talking about! :tongue:

Great podcast guys but there was one thing that did piss me off. It pissed me off a great deal since it's such a piss poor excuse as to why a single person wouldn't or shouldn't get an Xbox 360. That being the achievement & gamerscore system.

I can only answer for myself, but I clearly didn't say Achievements and Gamerscore were a negative that people should weigh against the 360, I simply said they are nowhere near a positive that I weigh for buying a 360. Also, to clarify, I'm not opposed to Achivements... what I dislike is the "worthless as a metric for anything" Gamerscore system. I would love Achievements to be measured as a percentage for each individual game with no over-arcing "score" or representation for all games.

By far your best podcast, the show is really getting good and the three of you sound a lot more relaxed.

Your kind words are very much appreciated!

Great show guys.
I was the fourth commenter on the iTunes. You mentioned the first 3... :sad:
This one was the best yet, and it is already looking like a bright future, just like the PS3...
Keep it up! :thumbsup: Love the show!

EDIT: Rothbart and Lono need their own thread where they can just bitch at each other, because I keep seeing quotes in their posts that are just discrediting and abusing each other's points in multiple threads. Post competitiveness is getting to them. Face it guys, Viatrophy has you both beat. :lol:

Great podcast guys but there was one thing that did piss me off. It pissed me off a great deal since it's such a piss poor excuse as to why a single person wouldn't or shouldn't get an Xbox 360. That being the achievement & gamerscore system. The Xbox 360 has much more appeal than just achievements & gamerscore. Things that were completly disregarded such as its much larger exclusive game base is, the whole IPTV implemention where one can buy shows & rent moves/HD movies for cheap. The Xbox live exp alone is well worth the money. If one can drop $60+ for a new game, they can afford $50 for an entire year of live. If you can't spare under 5 dollars a month, then I feel pretty bad for your financial situation......


-LatinLegacy

Can someone explain to him the difference between IPTV and Downloadable content. I don't have the time right now... lol

Thank you!
:thumbsup:

EDIT: Rothbart and Lono need their own thread where they can just bitch at each other, because I keep seeing quotes in their posts that are just discrediting and abusing each other's points in multiple threads. Post competitiveness is getting to them. Face it guys, Viatrophy has you both beat. :lol:

Nah, I'm not a postcount-whore... although... you couldn't tell by looking over at GCN...

Lono and I get along just fine... it's that "brotherly" kinda of fighting. :thumbsup: Although mom likes me best... :lol:

Nah, I'm not a postcount-whore... although... you couldn't tell by looking over at GCN...

Lono and I get along just fine... it's that "brotherly" kinda of fighting. :thumbsup: Although mom likes me best... :lol:

Who's mom? :huh: :lol:

Are you guys thinking about doing a Sarcastic Gamer Playstation Podcast Humpday Update at some point in the future? It would make you guys the contenders for having the longest podcast name in the world to date...
I don't think that one show a week is enough. You guys have done such a good job, that you should have two podcasts that can receive podcast love... :heart:

EDIT: Rothbart and Lono need their own thread where they can just bitch at each other, because I keep seeing quotes in their posts that are just discrediting and abusing each other's points in multiple threads. Post competitiveness is getting to them. Face it guys, Viatrophy has you both beat. :lol:

You should have been around when the site first started. I used to kick Rothbart around on a daily basis.... In a nice way, of course... :w00t:

You should have been around when the site first started. I used to kick Rothbart around on a daily basis.... In a nice way, of course... :w00t:

Suuurrrreeeee you did... :lol:
I reckon Rothbart could've held his own... :lol:

Thanks for the shout out, I feel special now. Great podcast, again.

Excellent Podcast guys, I'm really liking it.

I don't even own a PS3 or a PSP but I found it to be a really enjoyable listen.

As a 360 owner I don't find the PS3 to be a bad console per say I just think it's still in it's really rough stages. I like achievements, I really do. They add a new element to the game play. I like to think of them as "side missions" just accomplishments that aren't necessary to finish the game but something you can choose to do if you want.

If it were up to me I would completely get rid of gamerscores all together and just keep the achievements.

Although I do think saying that a gamerscore is a prime reason people would prefer a 360 is a little silly.

Also one thing that really kind of makes me stray away from a Playstation is the fact that (correct me if I'm wrong) theres only voice support for one or two games. To me playing multiplayer without vocal communication is more like playing against a more intelligent or dumbed down version of the A.I. rather then another person.

But hey maybe thats just me.

Keep up the good work guys!

Just wondering if anyone has found this podcast or the humpday update on the zune marketplace yet?

one thing that really kind of makes me stray away from a Playstation is the fact that (correct me if I'm wrong) theres only voice support for one or two games.

Yeah, you're wrong. It's not a given, at the XMB level that you can chat in every single game, but the majority of online multiplayer games support it. One thing the PS3 doesn't currently support is chatting with people outside of game you're playing, or cross-game chat... I can't play Warhawk and chat with someone playing MotorStorm. Hopefully someday, but as for now, no... can't do that.

You should have been around when the site first started. I used to kick Rothbart around on a daily basis.... In a nice way, of course... :w00t:

That's funny... I don't remember you even being here when the site first started... :lol:

Yeah, you're wrong. It's not a given, at the XMB level that you can chat in every single game, but the majority of online multiplayer games support it. One thing the PS3 doesn't currently support is chatting with people outside of game you're playing, or cross-game chat... I can't play Warhawk and chat with someone playing MotorStorm. Hopefully someday, but as for now, no... can't do that.

Well then I guess I stand corrected sir. :wink2:

Like I said I don't own a PS3 thats just what I thought based on a few other sites and people. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Well then I guess I stand corrected sir. :wink2:

Like I said I don't own a PS3 thats just what I thought based on a few other sites and people. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Of course the fact that PS3s don't come with a headset out of the box may make games seem like they don't support voice chat... :lol:

That's funny... I don't remember you even being here when the site first started... :lol:

Forgetting stuff already Rothbart? I know you're old, but not THAT old... :shocked:

Forgetting stuff already Rothbart? I know you're old, but not THAT old... :shocked:

I'm talking when the site literally started. Back when it was "The Sarcastic Gamer"... pre-podcast, pre vBulletin forums, pre-phpBB forums...

Other than Doc, I remember Volkov being the next one to join our ragtag fugitive fleet on a lonely quest for a shining... whoa! Battlestar Galactica flashback, sorry!

Nah, but didn't you come on about the time the podcast started?

Shall we try to keep on topic guys?
The episode was great, I think its definately become a thing of beauty by itself.

a thing of beauty

Wow, talk about taking the topic far from Lono! :lol:

Okay, I'm done now. :wink2:

Okay, I'm done now. :wink2:

Thank you, its hard to moderate the moderators.. :tongue:

I'm talking when the site literally started. Back when it was "The Sarcastic Gamer"... pre-podcast, pre vBulletin forums, pre-phpBB forums...

Other than Doc, I remember Volkov being the next one to join our ragtag fugitive fleet on a lonely quest for a shining... whoa! Battlestar Galactica flashback, sorry!

Nah, but didn't you come on about the time the podcast started?

Dang, you are forgetting... I was on the forums about a month before the second podcast came out...

I do understand that it is a playstation based podcast & some bias statements or " fanboy " remarks will be said but keep it fair. I actually find it very unbiased, surprising really, considering how playstation-centric Rothbart is.

If you don't already, you guys should listen to the OXM podcast to see how being fair to the competition works. Are you kidding? did you hear the last podcast where they had Gary Steinman from playstation: the official magazine on it? It was a total fanboy war. Gary even tried to leave halfway through :D

Dang, you are forgetting... I was on the forums about a month before the second podcast came out...

So why does your Join date read Jun 2007, just like Rothbart's?
Also, slightly ironic that you guys spend loads of your time stopping people from diverting away from topics on threads... this thread is diverterific! :lol:

Keep the bitching at a low, or I'm gonna start joining in...
You both have strange American accents... Aw, damn it! You've started me off! :lol:

So why does your Join date read Jun 2007, just like Rothbart's?

Because this is like the 3rd forum software we've used and the "real" join dates weren't carried over from software to software... I believe the original site didn't even have forums.

I'm sure Lono remembers being here in the beginning, and it doesn't matter at all, but he wasn't. *nyah, nyah* :tongue:

Because this is like the 3rd forum software we've used and the "real" join dates weren't carried over from software to software... I believe the original site didn't even have forums.

I'm sure Lono remembers being here in the beginning, and it doesn't matter at all, but he wasn't. *nyah, nyah* :tongue:

Give moderators too much power... and they act like children :lol:

Give moderators too much power... and they act like children :lol:

You read my mind... :lol:


Can I be a moderator? :lol:

First you have to figure out the secret handshake... and despite what Lono might tell you... it only involves hands. :lol:

Dave already fell for that one... twice!

First you have to figure out the secret handshake... and despite what Lono might tell you... it only involves hands. :lol:

Dave already fell for that one... twice!

Isn't it up, down, left, right, bump the fists, pound it, lock it, and seal the deal?

Isn't it up, down, left, right, bump the fists, pound it, lock it, and seal the deal?

You forgot the spit...

Who needs spit? That's for third graders.

First you have to figure out the secret handshake... and despite what Lono might tell you... it only involves hands. :lol:

Dave already fell for that one... twice!

ok, now that was funny.

Is that why Dave wears two belts now?

Who needs spit? That's for third graders.

We are talking about lono here, aren't we?

he's more into...not spit.

he's more into...not spit.

Erm ok? I think we had better leave this here before we get into trouble.

Although I'm already in it probably by calling him a third grader..

I'll let this topic die now...

Hillarious show