Here's a interesting read (http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/levelup/archive/2007/09/24/is-wii-really-gamecube-one-point-five-yes-says-beyond3d.aspx) about the hardware capabilities of the Wii.

It's written by staff members of the Beyond3D website. A well renown site for graphics related development. Their forum is crawling with game devs.

see, I knew Wii wasnt next gen. It was just a gamecube coated with a paint of next gen, and it tricked people. *shakes Head* Nintendo, why are you doing this.

Is microsoft the only company that was smart, and didnt OVER do it(Sony) and didnt UNDER do it(Nintendo).

Nintendo already went on record saying they know their current gen machine isn't up to par with the 360 and ps3 in graphics. The hardware set up they got is so that its price friendly, don't forget that they even turned down DVD abilities at the last moment to further reduce the price. I don't see why people require another DVD player on a console. I myself got 9 peices of hardware that can play DVD's. I don't mind a little loss of graphics if it means a little breather in my pocket. I feel its starting to get rather annoying how people keep calling the Wii just a buffed up Gamecube. If anyone was to put in that conception then basically every console is just a beefed up version if its previous generation console.

At least Nintendo bothers to come up with new console names rather then just putting a sequal to the name.

I feel its starting to get rather annoying how people keep calling the Wii just a buffed up Gamecube.

I never called it a buffed up gamecube, it IS a gamecube only with a Wii mote(gimmick) and a coated paint of next gen.

As much as I bash on the Wii (which I do not like the console), nintendo has franchises like Mario, and Zelda. Which will keep me coming back for more as long as they dont screw them up.

*psh*

What really defines "Next-Gen"? Do you? Do I? NO! It's for the PEOPLE to decide! I have a dream that we can live in a world where all the game consoles can be deserved to be called "next-gen"!

:D

begin sarcasm: i LOVE it when people who think they know everything about everything decide to rant about things they don't have and have never tried! i know that's quite an assumption, but it looks like you just love love love your xbox and any company who makes anything different is inferior. no the hardware cannot compete with the PS3 or the 360 (though i love it when people still announce it like it's news) but nintendo wasn't planning on competing with the other systems by finding a way to build a system that can hold so much hardware, that by the time it's being used to it's full potential, the next system will be released! (forgive me for the run-on sentence)

you had to have read this somewhere before, but i'll reiterate just in case; the wii was made as a more affordable solution for a more casual gamer. i know there is another thread about "true gamers" but i dont think that trying a system that's cheaper, yet is attempting to be more innovative makes me any less of a gamer.

before someone rants back about my fanboyism, i plan to get a PS3 when i can afford it. unfortunately i chose to spend my money on a new car rather than a game system. the wii is a fantastic idea that will blossom just as the other consoles are. all the ps3 and xbox fanboys fight amongst themselves and kind of just laugh at the mention of the wii, but it's kicking the living snot out of both other systems every single month! that definitely says something about the system. i've never heard of anyone having to send their wii into nintendo because it "bricked," although it does have the same problem as the PS3 as far as the amount of games for it.

as far as i'm concerned, the wii is the most successful next-gen (yes i'm calling it next gen) console on the market. it's definitely not for everyone, but i'm getting tired of people taking a dump on it, just because of the hardware specs.

*takes a deep breath*

well who's up for ice cream?

I don't really care about the hardware, but I had like two decent games on it that I'd buy, one being a GCN port, and only two other games I'm relitively interested in for the rest of this year...

As it stands, when the comes to games, teh Wii doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as the 360/PS3...

As for sales? The people that are buying the Wii are the ones that play Wii sports for 5 months and then they might also get Cooking Mama...

The game attach rate on Wii's is terrible compared to 360's/PS3's...

it's terrible to the 360, i'll admit... it's VERY comparable to the PS3.

Wii actually isn't as bad as people say. You shouldn't get bored of it fast like people say. I'm still happy with mine surprisingly, but that's probably because i have all the good games for it.

Nintendo deserves some respect for taking a risk and making a whole new game system. I think that the wii will help bring gaming a little more closer to the future of gaming. (My idea of future gaming, is sensors on arms, helmet, sensors for legs, the whole Sha-Bang =P )

However, i would still prefer 360 over a wii, and as for PS3...no comments until i've actually played it.

you're not going to comment on a system you haven't played? how strange!

:P

agree with title wii is super past gen who do they wanna fool

it's terrible to the 360, i'll admit... it's VERY comparable to the PS3.


Not at all, the PS3 has a lot more great games, even if some of them are multiplatform and slightly weaker on the PS3 then the 360, they're still great games... And especially when it comes to the Fall games being released the PS3 is going to totally the Wii... And after that...

I call the wii a gamecube with better graphics and crapper controls. the ps3 is too expensive and the 360 hasnt got any games with a giant online base and doesnt cost anything too play online.

So you hate every console?

Not at all, the PS3 has a lot more great games, even if some of them are multiplatform and slightly weaker on the PS3 then the 360, they're still great games... And especially when it comes to the Fall games being released the PS3 is going to totally the Wii... And after that...

im sorry but ps3 till now doesn't have that much great games 1 maybe 2 i don't play ps3 much cause 360 has a lot more games coming out at least for now

im sorry but ps3 till now doesn't have that much great games 1 maybe 2 i don't play ps3 much cause 360 has a lot more games coming out at least for now
Index of PS3 Game Reviews by Score

Only games with 5 or more reviews are listed below.
You may also view a list of all Playstation 3 games in alphabetical order.
1 Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, The 2007 93
2 Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2007 88
3 NHL 08 2007 88
4 Resistance: Fall of Man 2006 86
5 SKATE 2007 86
6 Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas 2007 86
7 Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 2007 85
8 Virtua Fighter 5 2007 85
9 MotorStorm (JPN Import Version) 2006 84
10 Warhawk 2007 84
11 Super Stardust HD 2007 84
12 DiRT: Colin McRae Off-Road 2007 83
13 Fight Night Round 3 2006 83
14 MotorStorm 2007 82
15 Gran Turismo HD Concept 2006 82
16 Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection 2007 82
17 College Hoops 2K7 2007 81
18 NBA Street Homecourt 2007 81
19 Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07 2006 81
20 Madden NFL 08 2007 81
21 Tiger Woods PGA Tour 08 2007 81
22 Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo HD Remix 2007 81
23 NBA 2K7 2006 80
24 Heavenly Sword 2007 80
25 Virtua Tennis 3 2007 80
26 Call of Duty 3 2006 80
27 Darkness, The 2007 80

Taken from MetaCritic...


And with all teh Fall games coming up, that's just going to increase...

Alright, so, I have a Wii, and I'm saving for a 360. The Wii is cheaper, and, as logic would imply, a worse system.

The Wii for 250$, with a 50$ game packed in for free. A PS3 is 600$ (500$, for a while), with a 50$ game pack in (for the 600$ variant), and the 360 runs you at 300$ for the Core. I'll be wanting the Live subscription, the headset, and what not, so you'll get it at about 400$, maybe more.

In short, the Wii is clearly the cheapest. If you think it's better then the other consoles, you're not that smart. I got it, figuring that every so often I'd be getting a fantastic first-party game, like the GC. No, actually, it's been holding up much better than I could have ever anticipated. It's not as good as the 360 or PS3. Well, no wonder. The games and console cost less.

The Wii is a worse system, but of course it is. It can't support the AI, graphics, or other functionality it's opposition can. It's easily the worst console, but the worst value? Debatable.

If you have the money to spend, get a 360. If gaming isn't so important, or you don't have the money, get a Wii.

Don't hate on the Wii. Sure, it's not the best system, but was it meant to be?

BTW, as soon as it stops selling so well, Nintendo can drop the price like that. They're making a profit from each system sold as is.

Nobody hates the Wii...

Nobody hates the Wii...

haha what are you, new?

jk, i like my wii... i want a PS3 as i agree it is going to blossom into one bad ass system. i think the xbox 360 is about at it's peak right now. sure there will be more games coming out, but i don't think we'll see much difference. the wii will also grow (you have to remember, this is the first time any developers have made games to fit the wii's controls), but i think in the long run, the PS3 is going to be the gaming system.

Index of PS3 Game Reviews by Score

Only games with 5 or more reviews are listed below.
You may also view a list of all Playstation 3 games in alphabetical order.
1 Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, The 2007 93
2 Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2007 88
3 NHL 08 2007 88
4 Resistance: Fall of Man 2006 86
5 SKATE 2007 86
6 Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas 2007 86
7 Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 2007 85
8 Virtua Fighter 5 2007 85
9 MotorStorm (JPN Import Version) 2006 84
10 Warhawk 2007 84
11 Super Stardust HD 2007 84
12 DiRT: Colin McRae Off-Road 2007 83
13 Fight Night Round 3 2006 83
14 MotorStorm 2007 82
15 Gran Turismo HD Concept 2006 82
16 Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection 2007 82
17 College Hoops 2K7 2007 81
18 NBA Street Homecourt 2007 81
19 Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07 2006 81
20 Madden NFL 08 2007 81
21 Tiger Woods PGA Tour 08 2007 81
22 Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo HD Remix 2007 81
23 NBA 2K7 2006 80
24 Heavenly Sword 2007 80
25 Virtua Tennis 3 2007 80
26 Call of Duty 3 2006 80
27 Darkness, The 2007 80

Taken from MetaCritic...


And with all teh Fall games coming up, that's just going to increase...


Most of thoughs you mentioned you can get on the 360, then added with the 360 exclusives. The 360 looks more appealing, and thus the PS3 has very little amount of games.

haha what are you, new?

jk, i like my wii... i want a PS3 as i agree it is going to blossom into one bad ass system. i think the xbox 360 is about at it's peak right now. sure there will be more games coming out, but i don't think we'll see much difference. the wii will also grow (you have to remember, this is the first time any developers have made games to fit the wii's controls), but i think in the long run, the PS3 is going to be the gaming system.

Majority of the developers have picked 360 as there main console to develop for, because of the user base and the fact its easier to develop for. So while they make better games for the 360, more people buy the 360. making the 360 have more user base and sells. So then when the PS3 gets easier and more familiar to develop for, more people are gonna have the 360, so the developers say screw it, we will make more money with the 360. Thus the gamecube effect.

nah, i disagree. i think in a year or two, the games coming out for PS3 will look tons better than the 360, and as history can prove, the consumer will shell out more money, no matter what, if they can get something with even just a little bit better graphics.

and as history can prove, the consumer will shell out more money, no matter what, if they can get something with even just a little bit better graphics.

The Wii has all the casual gamers hooked, and the 360 has all the hardcore gamers hooked. So who is gonna shell out the money? Hardcore gamers arent stupid enough to pick graphics over gameplay and casuals have the Wii and most likely wont spend more money just for another system thats pretty to look at.

Hardcore gamers arent stupid enough to pick graphics over gameplay

i thought that's what a hardcore gamer was??

i thought that's what a hardcore gamer was??

Hardcore gamer is a term used to describe a type of video game player whose leisure time is largely devoted to playing or reading about video games. This type of gamer prefers to take significant time and practice on games, in contrast to a casual gamer. Many hardcore gamers pride themselves on mastering the rules or use of a game, although this is not a strict requirement.

The Wii has all the casual gamers hooked, and the 360 has all the hardcore gamers hooked. So who is gonna shell out the money? Hardcore gamers arent stupid enough to pick graphics over gameplay and casuals have the Wii and most likely wont spend more money just for another system thats pretty to look at.

Wrong... The PS3 isn't any more about graphics than the 360... Only an idiot would think that...

And the 360 doesn't even have close to all the Hardcore gamers hooked... The sales numbers would be a shit load higher if it did...

hahaha i didnt know there was an actual definition.

It's wrong though... My leasure time is mostly devoted to my social life... Gaming takes a big back seat... Yet I still consider myself hardcore...

Wrong... The PS3 isn't any more about graphics than the 360... Only an idiot would think that...

And the 360 doesn't even have close to all the Hardcore gamers hooked... The sales numbers would be a shit load higher if it did...

Wrong.....The PS3 developers know that the PS3 can produce better graphics, so they spend much of there time developing for the graphics(They show off Killzone 2's graphics all the time saying thats the power of the PS3), and less on the gameplay(has anyone forgot the gameplay vid of Killzone 2 with the stupid AI). Added that its harder to develop for and you get games like Lair, and Heavenly sword(Short campaign). And if the 360 was all about graphics, I would think its 1# game(the top selling piece of entertainment EVER!!) would look amazing graphics wise, but it doesnt.

Also the 360 may not have all the hardcore gamers, but it has enough to to keep the lead over Sony.

It's wrong though... My leasure time is mostly devoted to my social life... Gaming takes a big back seat... Yet I still consider myself hardcore...

You obviously have enough time to participate in a forum about gaming, and then theres your actual gaming. So the definition isnt wrong.Its probably the most accurate definition one will find.

I use the internet much more than I play games... Forums are my guilty pleasure, but they're still not even close to being my top usage of leasure time...

Wrong.....The PS3 developers know that the PS3 can produce better graphics, so they spend much of there time developing for the graphics(They show off Killzone 2's graphics all the time saying thats the power of the PS3), and less on the gameplay(has anyone forgot the gameplay vid of Killzone 2 with the stupid AI). Added that its harder to develop for and you get games like Lair, and Heavenly sword(Short campaign). And if the 360 was all about graphics, I would think its 1# game(the top selling piece of entertainment EVER!!) would look amazing graphics wise, but it doesnt.

Also the 360 may not have all the hardcore gamers, but it has enough to to keep the lead over Sony.

Wrong, when I saw the first real 'gameplay' video of Killzone 2 was not the graphics at all, it was the environment, how the enemy's interacted with it... And the atmosphere, and to a lesser extent the covering system... And graphically, it looked ok... Metal Gear Solid 4? Graphics are good and all, but they're not even close to the main feature...

Echochrome? What graphics?

If the PS3 was all about graphics I wouldn't even have bought it for $100... I don't even have an HDTV... Yet I still love it's games...

Heavenly Sword is short... But that has nothing to do with how hard it was to program, they could've just rehashed the same assests to make it longer if they felt it was neccesary... Do you know anything about games?

And Lair was bad because the developers can't program for motion sensing worth crap, and they decided not to let the playes have the option of using anolouge sticks...

I've had Heavenly Sword since release and I'm barely a quater of teh way through... It's an awesome game, but I've been playing Warhawk too much...


Also the 360 may not have all the hardcore gamers, but it has enough to to keep the lead over Sony.

Not even close...Lot's of teh Core gamers are still sitting on the fence... The 360's sales numbers would be a lot higher than they are if had all the Core gamers... (Especially since liek 1/2 of those 'sales' are just replacement 360's for people's whos 360 has broken down...

Wrong, when I saw the first real 'gameplay' video of Killzone 2 was not the graphics at all, it was the environment, how the enemy's interacted with it... And the atmosphere, and to a lesser extent the covering system... Show a link to this video, cause out of all the shows and podcasts Ive listened to that have commented on Killzone 2 have talked about the stupid AI that run in front of cover.And graphically, it looked ok...Personally I thought the graphics were amazing, SDF likes to link vids to Killzone 2 a lot. Metal Gear Solid 4? Graphics are good and all, but they're not even close to the main feature... So thats one game, and ITS NOT EVEN OUT YET!!!

Echochrome? What graphics?

If the PS3 was all about graphics I wouldn't even have bought it for $100... I don't even have an HDTV... Yet I still love it's games...ok, I guess that was your mistake

Heavenly Sword is short... But that has nothing to do with how hard it was to program, they could've just rehashed the same assests to make it longer if they felt it was neccesarywell many gamers did feel it was neccesary... Do you know anything about games?yep

And Lair was bad because the developers can't program for motion sensing worth crap, and they decided not to let the playes have the option of using anolouge sticks... This is true, but I felt like using it as an example cause it fit very well with my Sony sucks rant thing

I've had Heavenly Sword since release and I'm barely a quater of teh way through... It's an awesome game, but I've been playing Warhawk too much...see, you play games a lot from what you just said, or it at least implys it



Not even close...Lot's of teh Core gamers are still sitting on the fence... The 360's sales numbers would be a lot higher than they are if had all the Core gamers... (Especially since liek 1/2 of those 'sales' are just replacement 360's for people's whos 360 has broken down...This might as well be a quote from SDF. Do you know anything about games?

read the Bold

Will I be able to play Rabbids 2 on the 360 or the PS3? No. So I will continue to use the Wii.

read the Bold

A) I never said anything about what other people said about the Killzone 2 video I said what I think about it... Duh...

B) Why the **** should I care what the SDF links too? As for teh graphics... They're all right... Ratchet looks better by far...

C) No, because I'm not so narrow minded to think that the console is just about graphics, which it is not... I wouldn't have bought it if it was...

D) I don't care, I didn't... If the game ended five minutes after the next time I started playing it... I wouldn't complain... I rarely play most games I buy for more than 3-4 hours...

E) You felt like using it as an example because it had negative points in it that you could exploit to try to prove your point...

Anybody who thinks a Console sucks because of the company that makes it is an idiot really... I don't care who makes a console as long as it's good...

F) I do play games, but not a lot. Maybe one hour a day...

G) SDF? That was the only Negative point I said about the 360 while you keep on bashing teh PS3... You'd fit more in the MDF if there was one more than I'd even come close to fitting into the SDF... Grow up... I know plenty about games, it's the reason i play them...

A) I never said anything about what other people said about the Killzone 2 video I said what I think about it... Duh...ok, fair enough

B) Why the **** should I care what the SDF links too? I dont care what you think of it, Im just clarifying where I see Killzone 2 vids, maybe you should pull the stick out of your ass.As for teh graphics... They're all right... Ratchet looks better by far...Whatever, its your opinion I guess

C) No, because I'm not so narrow minded to think that the console is just about graphics, which it is not... I wouldn't have bought it if it was...Its not ALL about graphics, but thats what they are trying to use to win the console war since Sixaxis isnt helping them any.

D) I don't care, I didn't... If the game ended five minutes after the next time I started playing it... I wouldn't complain... I rarely play most games I buy for more than 3-4 hours...So you waste money on games, but dont play them very much? How logical.

E) You felt like using it as an example because it had negative points in it that you could exploit to try to prove your point...hmmm, yes

Anybody who thinks a Console sucks because of the company that makes it is an idiot really... I don't care who makes a console as long as it's good...I never said the console sucks, Im just saying the 360 is better and funner.(also it has more games)

F) I do play games, but not a lot. Maybe one hour a day...Hardcore gamer? I think not

G) SDF? I would like you to reread your post and think about all the things that didnt make sence at all.That was the only Negative point I said about the 360 while you keep on bashing teh PS3... You'd fit more in the MDF if there was one more than I'd even come close to fitting into the SDF... Grow up... I know plenty about games, it's the reason i play them...Thats a weird reason to play, I play to have fun

read the bold........again

A) K
B) Why the **** should I care what a buch of fanboys keep linking too? And why should I care where you see Killzone vidoes? That has nothing to do with me...
C) I concur that the motion control is pointless, But Sony knows that graphics alone aren't going to get them to win this abomination of a console war... And so does everybody else...
D) K
E) You said Sony sucks and you keep bashing the PS3... Did you ever think that not everybody shares the same view points as you? That some people would rather play Ratchet and Clank Future than Halo 3? While the 360 does have more good games right now... Looking into 2008 the PS3 has much more games I'm excited for than the 360...
Mass Effect, Halo 3 (which I already own (legendary)), and Ninja Gaiden 3 are teh 360 exclusives I'm looking forward too...
F) The term 'hardcore game' is stupid one that only people who have nothing better to do than to try to make themselves seem more superior than their casual gaming counterparts...
That said, I'm as hardcore as they get besides time consumption... I may not be able to spend as much time on games because of my social life, but that doesn't make me any less 'hardcore' than you, I know tons about gaming, I love gaming, it's by far my favorite past time... And I'm unbiased...
G) It makes plenty sense if you actually read it...
H) It's because I have fun playing games that I know a lot about them, which is why I play them... Duh...

well this thread snowballed downhill fast. you two sound like little girls. this thread isn't about the PS3 or the xbox360. you fanboys have your own section to have a shouting contest of who's console is better. unbunch them, pull the sand out, pull the stick out, do whatever you have to do, just shut the **** up.

Have you even ****ing read what I said? I never said teh PS3 was better... Because right now, it's not... Don't label people off of misconceptions Douche...

i read some pretty harsh words from you defending the PS3. you could just let fanboys be fanboys and realize that a 14 year old kid with an xbox 360 is going to hate the PS3. That's a fact.
i'm sorry i made mention of you as a PS3 fanboy, but that really wasnt what my post was about. my post was to let you guys know you're bickering between those two systems in a thread about the wii...

I have a habit of defending most consoles when they're getting. I've been known as a GCN fanboy sometimes or a 360 fanboy sometimes. And you're right this has nothing to do with how underpowered the Wii is. Besides the obvious lack of "next gen" graphics the Wii's lack of power will mean weaker AI and less intricate physics. Two of the most important aspects of games for me besides fun.

fair enough... and i'd agree with you if the only games that were fun for me were the ones striving to be the most realistic. i dunno... i think the wii will have some great games. i'll at least have fun with it. honestly i've been dissapointed with the rate at which the games are coming out, because i'm not interested in cooking mama or anything else made for the kindergardener, but i think that, like the PS3, good games will soon be emerging.

just let fanboys be fanboys and realize that a 14 year old kid with an xbox 360 is going to hate the PS3. That's a fact.


I knew I shouldnt have put my age in my profile, cause then no one will take me seriously. :mad:

nah man i take you seriously. i can tell you know a lot about what you do know, but just from experience, kids generally just don't like what they don't have (when it comes to situations like these).. :p

Ive played a PS3 before, and from what Ive played and seen. Its not worth $600, I decided upon the 360. I liked it and his has all the games I want to play, and I really have no need for a second console. I used to own all three last gen consoles, so I was never biased towards anything, but with the 360. It impressed me so much that I am a little biased for it, and then with Sony gunning at taking the market from Microsoft(as both companys have said, they are going after each other, not the Wii). I want to support the console I chose, and after saying to myself Im not gonna get a PS3, I started to dislike them because of things like coping off achievements with home. Then SDF kinda played a part of me hating Sony even more, because after spending a couple weeks on the forums there, you tend to produce a hate towards Sony. And I really have no to little interest in the PS3 games.

i know you all may call me a noob, but what is SDF?

Sony Defence Force...

A joke really but some people, not naming names, seem to take them seriously...

I want to support the console I chose, and after saying to myself Im not gonna get a PS3, I started to dislike them because of things like coping off achievements with home.

That is stupid... I don't support the PS3 anymore than the 360, why should you care whether Microsoft or Sony owns more of teh market? Do you own shares in them or something? More market doesn't equal more good games, teh Wii proves that...

And teh Trohpies are nothing like achievement points... Only and idiot would think so... Jesus... That's like saying Microsft copied the Dual anolouge stick from the PSOne... Really...

More market doesn't equal more good games, teh Wii proves that...

hahaha that's the truth

That is stupid... I don't support the PS3 anymore than the 360, why should you care whether Microsoft or Sony owns more of teh market? Do you own shares in them or something? More market doesn't equal more good games, teh Wii proves that...whatever, I really dont care what you think, So why dont you go cry and complain in some other topic, your just making a fool of yourself.

And teh Trohpies are nothing like achievement pointsum, are you brain dead?... Only and idiot would think so... Jesusum, Sony made Home to take on achievement points, you have to be an idiot to think otherwise.... That's like saying Microsft copied the Dual anolouge stick from the PSOne... Really...Thats nothing like that, a controller is a controller, your gonna have to have analog sticks. And Home is a program made to compete with achievements, since Sony realized that achievements were a hit, and they wanted to make something better. Which personally it does look interesting, but Im still not gonna get a PS3

I thought we were done with all the arguing, Jesus dont you ever stop. This whole topic is basicly just us arguing and making fools of ourselfs, why do you insist on continueing.

it's fun to read though :D

I thought we were done with all the arguing, Jesus dont you ever stop. This whole topic is basicly just us arguing and making fools of ourselfs, why do you insist on continueing.

I'm not arguing... I was just telling you not to take SDF so seriously... They do what they do to piss people like you off, and you're jsut falling for it...

And I was just stating my opinion the impacts of market size on a console's quality...

And you were wrong about Sony copying achievements (though I think they should... really and exact clone would be fine...)

The Wii needs and achievement system too...

But first the Wii needs to get it's online sorted out... It has nothing to do with teh Power of the Wii so Nintendo have no excuse there...

But first the Wii needs to get it's online sorted out... It has nothing to do with teh Power of the Wii so Nintendo have no excuse there...

totally agree with you there... there's really no excuse for them not to have had this figured out by now...

I'm not arguingum, if this isnt arguing to you, what is?... I was just telling you not to take SDF so seriouslyI dont, I went there for laughs. Im just saying that because of them, it tends to make you want to hate Sony... They do what they do to piss people like you offSee thats exactly what I thought they were made to do! Others on this site think otherwise though., and you're jsut falling for it...

And I was just stating my opinion the impacts of market size on a console's qualityand we were arguing about it...

And you were wrong about Sony copying achievements Then what were they doing, you cant tell me the trophie system is not a copy of achievements(though I think they should... really and exact clone would be fine...If they did that, couldnt Microsoft sue them? Also a lot of gamers would loose respect for sony if they did that(if they allready havent))

The Wii needs and achievement system toomaybe...

But first the Wii needs to get it's online sorted out... It has nothing to do with teh Power of the Wii so Nintendo have no excuse there...true, I totally agree

read the bold........again...

omg emophia, just agree with him

omg emophia, just agree with him

Again your refering to me being immature,because you see me as a 14 year old and not an equal person in the forum. so you go to emophia to stop the ARGUEMENT. Im not stupid. :mad:
If he wants to continue the argument, I will gladly continue, for I had tried to stop it.

*sigh* Why do I even bother. Im leaving this topic

omg emophia, just agree with him

Your wish... Legend121, you're right I'm wrong, you made me see the light I will never touch my PS3 again, and I will burn Sony to the ground... Congrats...

Happy?

Isn't all this going seriously off-topic though?

Anyway, here's my two cents: Wii = Gamecube 1.5: I totally agree as a Wii owner, that the Wii could've been a lot better, if only Nintendo was prepared not to profit from the consoles. The only really bad move Nintendo made, was to assume that having a revolutionary gameplay, would compensate for nexgen graphics and power. IMO, it doesn't.

It's obvious that most developers haven't taken the system seriously, until they saw how well Metroid (the mother of hardcore Nintendo games) has sold in such a short time. The "funfactor" Nintendo repeatedly gives the Wii through it's marketing strategy has led game designers to believe the console's biggest market consists of very young and upper-age gamers, which is a pity, since a lot of people are still waiting for some real games to emerge.

Also, I find that the current games ruin the cool features of the controller, by either just plain sucking in framerate and graphics, or because the game porters look at the consoles biggest strength as a nifty gadget; a bonus, in stead of an actual challenge for exclusive game design.

I will be the first to admit that I hate the fact, that I didn't wait for the PS3 or 360 to become cheaper and bought a Wii in stead.

Unless somehow miraculously great exclusive titles that are at the very least a bit mature come out for the Wii, I feel crushed by the company's marketing.

I don't consider myself to be right, or to have the best arguments, so if anyone disagrees: please do change my mind, I'm open to alternative visions on this matter :)

Cheers

I honestly wouldn't mind the Wii's lack of power or graphics if it did have 'revolutionary gameplay'...

But it doesn't... Nothing so far has been revolutionary on it... And that's my main beef with it...

Have you USED a Wii? I own one, and you have to give multiple games a try with it. You can't get an accurate overview from Wii Tennis. Try Zelda, NFS: Carbon, and Trauma Center before critiquing the 'non-revolutionary-ness' of it.

I'm afraid, Emophia, that we probably won't get along well on this forum...XD First the PC/Mac thing, and now the Wii/All

For the first time, I happen to agree with emophia. I dont think its anything revolutionary, but Im still gonna end up buying it cause of nintendos franchises. When I play Smash bros Brawl Im gonna be using a gamecube controller not a Wii mote.

When I play Smash bros Brawl Im gonna be using a gamecube controller not a Wii mote.
Aren't we all? It would ruin the gameplay too much imho to play it with anything else. I'll give the other three methods a try, just to be open. It would be amazing if the wii-mote tilted on its side could actually play well.

Have you USED a Wii? I own one, and you have to give multiple games a try with it. You can't get an accurate overview from Wii Tennis. Try Zelda, NFS: Carbon, and Trauma Center before critiquing the 'non-revolutionary-ness' of it.

I'm afraid, Emophia, that we probably won't get along well on this forum...XD First the PC/Mac thing, and now the Wii/All

I have, plenty... I even almost bought one at launch... I'm glad I didn't now... And I've played all of the games you listed except Need For Speed Carbon (played it on the 360)...

Trauma Center wasn't any more revolutionary (less so actually) than it's DS counter part...

And Carbon is just a port with some hacked on control scheme, not a game I'd call revolutionary on any console... Even excite Truck didn't feel right, it felt just as bad as using teh six axis to steer on Motorstorm...

Who are you to say I won't get along on this forum? From what I read most of the people seem to share same view as me... Even if they don't people don't need to share the same points of view to get a long... some of my friends are Apple and/or Nintendo fanboys... Yet we get along fine... So I really don't get what you're talking about...