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The video game soap opera, “Gamespotgate 07,” is still going full swing. You can’t post a review for Kane & Lynch on GameSpot anymore (it’s locked now)…since tons of disgruntled Jeff fans have been posting a rating of 1 out of 10; dropping the user rating down to a sweet 2.6 out of 10. The posters also included some great quotes to back up their low score reviews. My personal favorites were: “worse than big rigs!!!” and “If a blue whale and a sloth had a child, Kane & Lynch would be it.”
Ouch. Worse than big rigs? Those are some harsh words.
Read more after the jump!
A bunch of the GS staff have posted in their blogs about the current situation. Given the amount of editing going on…the general tone of the blogs seems to be that if they come out and say anything, their heads may be the next ones on the Cnet chopping block.
GS’s Game Guides Editor Matthew Rorie wrote “Maybe I’m a coward” for his inability to give any real answers in his Blog.
Associate Editor Ryan Davis called the whole fiasco “the end of an era for both GameSpot and myself.”
Staff member Tim Tracy announced he too is leaving, though by choice.
No one has come out and denied or confirmed much of anything, other than Jeff DID get axed. His official video review has also been removed, which seems incredibly strange to anyone with a pulse. The general feel from the forums and “what the GS staff allude to but don’t say,” was that Cnet dropped the hammer on them. GS itself had nothing to do with it, as Jeff had been a well liked and valuable member of their team for years. I gotta agree with that, as he has been one of the most familiar faces on the site since I started going to GS years ago.
The impression I got was that Cnet dug them a nice deep hole and then told the GS staff to dig up!
Keep an eye on this one folks, you are seeing, in real time, the fall of a once great gaming website.
*sigh* Gamespot really do need to do something. The silence is making it worse. They need to come out with a front page statement, adress every issue and most importantly try to restablish some trust and credibility.
I do not want to boycott Eidos in anyway though. They make some good games and they have really done nothing. Cnet are the enemy (providing Jeff just wasnt fired for poor management - he wasnt popular with some people and GS have been losing popularity recently. He missed out things within his reviews for instance and blasted things for no reason)
At the same time, I think his Kane & Lynch review was spot on addressing all the elements with good explanations as to his criticism. I think GS just wanted a face lift. The appointment of the creator of Stuff and Maxim is a big step up into the mainstream world of journalism and can only benefit from his expertise imo.
I think everyone just loves a good story. I say enough now and wait until more details come out before we all over react. We should move on.
I really don't understand why people think Eidos is blameless... They pulled their advertising after the video review was shown. If you think for a minute that Eidos didn't bitch about the review to cnet, before pulling their advertising, then you're just fooling yourselves.
If Eidos didn't bitch, Gertzman wouldn't have been fired. Plain and simple.
I guess on the other hand, people think it's common for game companies to pay for good reviews. Even though I make fun of it, I really don't think that this was the case, which is why this story has caused such a fervor on the internets.
Eidos is as much of a part of this as Gamespot and Cnet. Don't let them off the hook simply because you happen to like other games they've made.
RIP, GameSpot, the great websites that was screwed from within. We'll miss you. Actually, we probably won't. We'll miss Jeff Gerstmann, until he shows up in a new Revision3 podcast covering videogames alongside Alex Albrecht.
I really don't understand why people think Eidos is blameless... They pulled their advertising after the video review was shown. If you think for a minute that Eidos didn't bitch about the review to cnet, before pulling their advertising, then you're just fooling yourselves.
If Eidos didn't bitch, Gertzman wouldn't have been fired. Plain and simple.
I guess on the other hand, people think it's common for game companies to pay for good reviews. Even though I make fun of it, I really don't think that this was the case, which is why this story has caused such a fervor on the internets.
Eidos is as much of a part of this as Gamespot and Cnet. Don't let them off the hook simply because you happen to like other games they've made.
Well I do agree to a point but this is what all companies do and to be honest if you were Eidos you would too. No one here could say that if their product was given a bad review by the people they were advertising it with that they wouldn't see if something could be done.
The problem I feel is Gamespot who gave in to the pressures that im sure many sites like IGN deal with everyday. I doubt Eidos said "fire him" as that would be too risky as it would obviously leek to the gaming press. They more likely will have said "cant something be done" in which case GS should have said no instead of giving in to the money.
I cant code games and really enjoy Eidos's titles and they are a company I feel we should forgive. Not even EA has had this much stick. GS are the real enemies here in my opinion.
Ok Lono even if Eidos bitched up a storm they still did nothing wrong, it was Gamespot's fault, they are to blame, Eidos did not fire the man gamespot did.
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I never said that Eidos fired him, but obivously, when they pulled their advertising campaign, that said volumes. What else is there to say and where did the finger point? Well, at the guy that did the review. Eidos didn't have to tell Gamespot to fire him, because all they needed to do was pull their multi-thousand dollar campaign because they didn't like the review.
You guys... letting Eidos off easy?? Shame on you.
Ok Lono even if Eidos bitched up a storm they still did nothing wrong, it was Gamespot's fault, they are to blame, Eidos did not fire the man gamespot did.
I never said that Eidos fired him, but obivously, when they pulled their advertising campaign, that said volumes. What else is there to say and where did the finger point? Well, at the guy that did the review. Eidos didn't have to tell Gamespot to fire him, because all they needed to do was pull their multi-thousand dollar campaign because they didn't like the review.
You guys... letting Eidos off easy?? Shame on you.
Perhaps they pulled the adverts (stating they would terminate by the end of the week) and so GS got annoyed and fired jeff?
I never said that Eidos fired him, but obivously, when they pulled their advertising campaign, that said volumes. What else is there to say and where did the finger point? Well, at the guy that did the review. Eidos didn't have to tell Gamespot to fire him, because all they needed to do was pull their multi-thousand dollar campaign because they didn't like the review.
You guys... letting Eidos off easy?? Shame on you.
Eidos was within their rights to do so, if the guy never got fired nobody would care Eidos did that.
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Originally Posted by Benjamin Franklin
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
I never said that Eidos fired him, but obivously, when they pulled their advertising campaign, that said volumes. What else is there to say and where did the finger point? Well, at the guy that did the review. Eidos didn't have to tell Gamespot to fire him, because all they needed to do was pull their multi-thousand dollar campaign because they didn't like the review.
You guys... letting Eidos off easy?? Shame on you.
I'll use this example again:
Penny Arcade advertised Prince of Persia without testing the game a while back. The game ended up being shit so they wrote the review as such. They then got a crap ton of hate about it from Ubi. Phone calls, emails etc, but they pretty much said they were loyal to their fans, not their advertisers.
So yea, they lost the advertising for that of course, but kept their integrity.
Any company that puts money into any site is going to be pissed if that site then turns around and says "the game sucks", the only difference is how that site decide to deals with it. They either stick to their morals (assuming they had some to start with), or cave.
Penny Arcade stuck to their morals, Gamespot caved.